RAWR LOOK AT ME IM HUDGE AND DO ROIDS AND HAVE SMALL BALLZ

[wufwugy]

jesus fucking christ im so out of shape. just mowed my dinky lawn and got pooped as shit.

just a couple years ago i could jog a 7 minute mile and do a set of 20 rep breathing full squats with 300 pounds at 180 bodyweight. fucking christ what the fuck happened

oh i remember what happened, i acquired multiple injuries from maxing out deadlifts and bench press too much and never stopped bulking and havent exercised for two years due to all the pain it's caused.

NO MORE

[Lukie]

jesus fucking christ im so out of shape. just mowed my dinky lawn and got pooped as shit.

just a couple years ago i could jog a 7 minute mile and do a set of 20 rep breathing full squats with 300 pounds at 180 bodyweight. fucking christ what the fuck happened

oh i remember what happened, i acquired multiple injuries from maxing out deadlifts and bench press too much and never stopped bulking and havent exercised for two years due to all the pain it's caused.

NO MORE

i would love to see somebody that isn't a high level competitive weight lifter or maybe a professional american football player or similar, do 20 reps @ 300 on a legit FULL squat.

infact i can't immediately recall anybody in any gym that ive ever been to do a legit full squat for any number of reps with any weight, so i'd probably settle for that.

[bjsaust]

I saw it once, when I was travelling for work. He did proper front squats too. I got the impression he competed in PL though.

[wufwugy]

jesus fucking christ im so out of shape. just mowed my dinky lawn and got pooped as shit.

just a couple years ago i could jog a 7 minute mile and do a set of 20 rep breathing full squats with 300 pounds at 180 bodyweight. fucking christ what the fuck happened

oh i remember what happened, i acquired multiple injuries from maxing out deadlifts and bench press too much and never stopped bulking and havent exercised for two years due to all the pain it's caused.

NO MORE

i would love to see somebody that isn't a high level competitive weight lifter or maybe a professional american football player or similar, do 20 reps @ 300 on a legit FULL squat.

infact i can't immediately recall anybody in any gym that ive ever been to do a legit full squat for any number of reps with any weight, so i'd probably settle for that.

dude i was very amazed when i did it too given that my max 1 rep was somewhere between 350-400 and max deadlift was somewhere between 440-480 at the time. the set was very long, and apparently with the rest given to the legs and ass when the knees are locked gave me more recovery than i expected. also, i suspect that the set had something to do with me injuring my back, and i couldnt have done it again without several months rest. that was during a couple month period of where i was gung ho on lower body almost non stop and i tweaked something attempting a max sumo deadlift following the day of a max regular deadlift. stupid, i know now, and i knew then...

also, fwiw, ive never worked out in a gym. only in the backyard in the elements. however, from the forums ive heard all about the horror stories of gym goers squating 1/4 depth and thinking its an olympic squat. ive done a ton of back squats, front squats, and zercher squats and the two former were always oly style (full extension and hams plastered fully on calves) and the zerchers were parallel i.e. hip joint/flexors parallel with hamstring/knee insertion point, the way powerlifting judges it (holding the bar in the elbow joints pretty much makes it impossible to go below parallel unless you want to alter the moment arm and thus drastically reduce the amount of load youre able to put on the hips/legs in place of load placed on shoulders, which is undesirable when doing squats).

i started lifting again a week ago and it looks like ive been able to mitigate the pain, so when i have several months in ill post vid of doing an appreciable amount of weight at full squat


but that was a long time ago. today i did 2 sets of 20 reps with 135 on deadlifts. soooooooo weak, mainly lack of gpp tho. i used to warm up with that shit. jesus....

[Lukie]

dude i was very amazed when i did it too given that my max 1 rep was somewhere between 350-400 and max deadlift was somewhere between 440-480 at the time. the set was very long, and apparently with the rest given to the legs and ass when the knees are locked gave me more recovery than i expected. also, i suspect that the set had something to do with me injuring my back, and i couldnt have done it again without several months rest. that was during a couple month period of where i was gung ho on lower body almost non stop and i tweaked something attempting a max sumo deadlift following the day of a max regular deadlift. stupid, i know now, and i knew then...

I think there's a very good chance that your form started getting sloppy which contributed to your back injury. I see it all the time when people go too heavy and still try to get low, or they are getting fatigued after doing some reps. What inevitably starts happening is the hips stay high and the back starts rounding more and more. It gets to the point where I feel obligated to quietly point it out to them at some point; most don't listen but I'd hate to see somebody get catastrophically injured because I didn't point out their irresponsible and dangerous form. I'm not saying this definitely applies to you, but it just sounds very familiar.

also, fwiw, ive never worked out in a gym. only in the backyard in the elements. however, from the forums ive heard all about the horror stories of gym goers squating 1/4 depth and thinking its an olympic squat. ive done a ton of back squats, front squats, and zercher squats and the two former were always oly style (full extension and hams plastered fully on calves) and the zerchers were parallel i.e. hip joint/flexors parallel with hamstring/knee insertion point, the way powerlifting judges it (holding the bar in the elbow joints pretty much makes it impossible to go below parallel unless you want to alter the moment arm and thus drastically reduce the amount of load youre able to put on the hips/legs in place of load placed on shoulders, which is undesirable when doing squats).

It's funny how people let their ego cloud their judgment. As a general rule, if people think they are hitting parallel they are really doing about a quarter squat; if they think they are going full they might be getting to parallel, often with a good amount of back rounding as well. Of course there is the occasional oddball that does the movement(s) right, but they are in the minority.

I think the chain of events that leads to all this awful form goes something like this: Iron junkie gets introduced to the weight room in school or through their friends or whatever and starts doing lots of bench pressing (which, relatively speaking, they become quite good at), curling, and maybe a trivial amount of lat pulldowns or leg press or what not.

Then when they start squatting (if they start squatting), they don't give themselves the proper learning curve. While an ideally trained athlete should squat more than they press, most people are far more skilled at the bench press than they are at the squat (of course I've seen so many idiots who bounce the bar off their chest from a free fall that it makes me question this, but we are speaking relatively here) so it doesn't really apply here. And forget about the oly squat here, nobody actually does that. (except me)

Since the most you can expect an average gym rat to do is hit parallel, now is as good a place as any to talk a bit about powerlifting. A typical squat:benchL ratio thrown out is 4:3:5. Obviously, a person benching 300 would be more or less expected to be able to squat 400 and deadlift 500. There are all sorts of factors based on height, weight, body type, gear, etc.

In the squat for example, the knee wraps and other gear help get this number where it is. The form isn't predicated on building quads but by initiating the movement with the hips in a very wide stance to put most of the stress on the posterior chain.

So to take all these factors where it would be expected that someone squats more than they bench and apply it to the person who is lifting raw (maybe with a belt or something which inevitably is worn too loose to be of any good anyway), that is unskilled squatting, maybe even going for a true olympic squat which is obviously going to be lighter, it's just a recipe for disaster.

Either the above, or people are just idiots and try using too much weight in general. probably a bit of both.

I'll add here that I put a great deal of effort into getting my lifts up and I think they are respectable, especially of someone of my size and body type (6'2", longish limbs, ~190, dieted down from ~215). But I invariably have great form on the major lifts (controlled cheating on what not on some relatively light iso movement isn't particularly relevant here).

I've never done zerchers and to be honest it (to me) seems like an inferior movement.

i started lifting again a week ago and it looks like ive been able to mitigate the pain, so when i have several months in ill post vid of doing an appreciable amount of weight at full squat

I'm interested in this.

but that was a long time ago. today i did 2 sets of 20 reps with 135 on deadlifts. soooooooo weak, mainly lack of gpp tho. i used to warm up with that shit. jesus....

Only 2 words need to be said-- Muscle memory.

Another way to put it is in 7 or so years of lifting, I've probably only seen a handful of other people do them, so you're already ahead of the curve.

[bigspenda73]

{from randomness thread}

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA MOD ABUSE

[wufwugy]

LOLLLL

funniest thing ive seen in days. spenda for mod of the year

now run, before i crush you with my ginormous bicepts

[wufwugy]

I've never done zerchers and to be honest it (to me) seems like an inferior movement.

Yeah, when it comes to hip/leg strength they are inferior. However, they were designed or just capitalized upon as a makeshift training for a couple Strongman events, and they're pretty good for the 'core'. I don't care for the label 'core' because connotatively it suggests more than just the abdominal muscles and spinal erectors. Nonetheless, the positioning weight seems to produce a pretty heavy midsection workout. I was honestly quite surprised when I did them at how tough they were, but I also did not do a whole lot of them so it's hard to say exactly how they were.

I also think they are used for general physical preparation (read: anaerobic endurance) purposes cuz they're pretty tiring, but you can really do any compound lift for GPP

I'll add here that I put a great deal of effort into getting my lifts up and I think they are respectable, especially of someone of my size and body type (6'2", longish limbs, ~190, dieted down from ~215)

It's awesome how devoted you are. One of the best things I've experienced (no joke) is the process and results of consistent heavy lifting.

FWIW, my friend who got me into it several years ago has a very similar stat and story to yours (except he started at amazingly skinny 140 6'3"), yet he has the same problems with long limbs as you so he doesn't put up the kind of weight that short people can, but it translates awesomely into real-time athletics where the long limbs act as levers. Back when we lifted together I could out squat him by about 100 pounds, but he would out sprint me like crazy.

Another way to put it is in 7 or so years of lifting, I've probably only seen a handful of other people do them, so you're already ahead of the curve.

Yeah dude I am so fucking looking forward to this. I was devastated a couple years ago when my pains were so bad that I had to quit lifting. People who haven't had the experience of consistent lifting for at least 6 months have no clue how fucking awesome it is. The happiest time of my adult life was when I was pulling plates for all I was worth.

I've had 3 workouts so far this week, and no pain. FINALLY. The amount of myofascial bodywork I've had to do to get this shit to alleviate has been pretty heavy, though.

I'm interested in this.

It'll look like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjfEn...eature=related

And this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjfEn...eature=related

Just not nearly as heavy

And just for shits we have the lifting community infamous badass/retard dieselweasel pulling a lift so heavy that he must hitch and ramp the fuck out of it. He does this shit like every week too. Honestly im surprised he hasn't injured himself yet. Well maybe he has, I haven't seen what he's been up to for about a year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4Fm277eIzE&feature=related[/url]

[wufwugy]

also i dont do roids. this guy does roids. he's never actually said he does, but iirc hes a top powerlifter in a non-testing federation, and 100% of those guys juice





i WISH i had roids, and maybe someday, but not now, and if the fact that it speeds up hair loss and shrinks your balls never stops bugging me then i probably never do them.

they say, though, that a good cycle of test is AMAZING. like it's super anti-depressant, super energy, super horny, all that good stuff (not to mention super huge and super strong, well at least stronger than spenda)

[Luco]

Why hasn't Galapagos posted yet?

[Galapogos]

fwiw the vast majority of the side effects of roids only exist for as long as you're on them but you probably know that. Plus if you're the type to go hard core with supplements taking roids is pretty much better for you since the drug is injected rather than all that sketchy over the counter stuff that wrecks havoc on your digestive system.

On a side note, I've gotten back into lifting recently. I stopped quite a few years ago because my wrists were getting fucked. At first, after every hockey game they would be on fire. Then they just started feeling brittle in everyday life. Plus I was getting sort of bored of it. Now after a bunch of time off I'm loving it again. I work out with someone who used to be a personal trainer and am learning to focus the exercises in different ways rather than just worrying about chucking up the heaviest weight possible. I'm liking it a lot.

[Galapogos]

Why hasn't Galapagos posted yet?

I was sleeping dammit!

[a500lbgorilla]

dont listen to the haters gala, allow us to gently oil our bronzed bods

[WillburForce]

don't wanna be rude to anyone who lifts or whatever, but why the fusk would you wanna look like that?

just looks weird. keep fit, be solid, but you don't wanna look like a freak.

[wufwugy]

don't wanna be rude to anyone who lifts or whatever, but why the fusk would you wanna look like that?

just looks weird. keep fit, be solid, but you don't wanna look like a freak.

well heres the same dude at competition weight. iirc he began dieting due to injury and it was something to do while recuperating



heres a more normal looking shot



and youre telling me you wouldnt wanna look like that? well sure, some people dont, but thats very nice for many.

something you want to remember tho is that all your favorite athletes are on drugs, and almost all of the shirtless hot bodies in hollywood movies are also drugged. it is VERY hard to be below 10% bodyfat while buff, yet steroids do exactly that, and it's pretty much impossible to be below 10% and huge without drugs

also, the majority of women are attracted to big dudes

[wufwugy]

heres an example of a dude on a lifting board i used to be a part of a years ago who cycled roids from time to time. im preeeeetty sure that this is an example of the roids before and after, left to right



the before is great, but the after is simply better. there looks to be some water retention in the after tho, which is wat most if not all roids do.

edit: notice how its not nearly as OMGROIDZ as what most people think roids look is? you gotta do a TON of juice and other drugs, and have great genes in order to be 'too big'

[wesrman]

GL Wuf.

Does this mean you'll be posting on T-Nation again???

[Lukie]

<--- natty for life

[bjsaust]

I've considered roids, but then I've never managed to lift consistantly for 2+ years. Seems stupid until you've pushed a long way naturally to me. I'm trying to get back into it now, but mixed success. Winter and a shitload of work are my excuses. Got my son into a good sleeping routine now though, which means I can start getting into a good sleeping routine, which should mean a good routine all over.

I have a home gym, much preferred over the commercial ones I've been to, plus a lot easier. My preferred lifting time is just before lunch, so I can just jump up head down and workout then eat rather than spend time travelling or needing to workout before or after work.

No excuses for me. I keep getting 6 months in and start really seeing results then fall off the wagon. One injury or illness keeping me out for a couple weeks and I lose it.

[wufwugy]

GL Wuf.

Does this mean you'll be posting on T-Nation again???

I quit posting on t-nation due to a large portion of their coaches/authors being fuckheads, and the massive amount of moderation.

there are better sites for lifting and dieting than t-nation. however, t-nation has a lot of good information, you just gotta find it since there's a ton of chaff and noise there as well. but really, the posting system there is tilting as a motherfucker, and the mods have virtually zero tolerance for real and factual dissent if it disagrees with their writers

my time at t-nation was really just the beginning portion of my lifting progress though. the more advanced information ive learned came from sites like bodyrecomposition, charliefrancis and the archives of midwestbarbell (unfortunately midwest archives no longer exist, or they were moved to sostrength, i dunno)

[Lukie]

bodyrecomposition

A+

[Galapogos]

<--- natty for life

werd

[wufwugy]

bodyrecomposition

A+

the site is easily the best for diet and training ive found. the personality is also one of a kind

[bigspenda73]

I'm gonna be so strong in 6 months, and sooooo fat...time for some new pants! I made a decision a few weeks ago to finally not be weak as shit for the rest of my life, so I'm trying to gain as much strength over the next ~6-8 months as possible, so far so good, just gotta stay with it I guess.

[wufwugy]

be sure to start out with the pink dumbbells to get a nice tone

[bigspenda73]

I pink dumbelled your mom last night

[Lukie]

bodyrecomposition

A+

the site is easily the best for diet and training ive found. the personality is also one of a kind

true, but don't tell too many people. i don't want it turning into 2+2 health and fitness once all the online poker players find out about it.

[Lukie]

I'm gonna be so strong in 6 months, and sooooo fat...time for some new pants! I made a decision a few weeks ago to finally not be weak as shit for the rest of my life, so I'm trying to gain as much strength over the next ~6-8 months as possible, so far so good, just gotta stay with it I guess.

my generic advice would be to at least keep it under control. getting fat tends to put the damper on motivation, and extensive periods of dieting isn't as easy nor fun as 2+2 would have you believe. plus the longer you have to diet (i.e. cut) the less time for the fun stuff.

[mrhappy333]

I thought this was about Manny Ramirez getting suspended for 50 games. for taking roids!

[wufwugy]

bodyrecomposition

A+

the site is easily the best for diet and training ive found. the personality is also one of a kind

true, but don't tell too many people. i don't want it turning into 2+2 health and fitness once all the online poker players find out about it.

have you spent much time on monkeyisland? apparently some time this last year lyle split the forum into the nice one and the mean one, and i think the nice one is called bodyrecomposition like usual and the mean (normal) one is monkeyisland or something.

anyways, lyle and aaron and all the other personalities who have gravitated towards that site (including myself) have largely done so because they are assholes. bodyrecomp is the one site where you gotta have thick skin to post because nobody pulls any punches. 2p2 hnf types don't last long at all. ive seen many come and go.

their 'hatin' forum is the most active too, so that just goes to show what the milieu is like for those who cant take criticism.

[Lukie]

I'm pretty new to Lyle's work (i.e. maybe 6 weeks).. this is actually the first I've heard of monkeyisland. I just registered. I was talking specifically about bodyrecomposition.com before.. apparently the new forum. I've seen posts about the split before so I'm familiar with what you're talking about. I just didn't realize until now that the 'old' forum still existed.

I don't care a whole lot if people are assholes; I care if the ideas, information, and advice are good. 2p2 hf goes something like this: read the faq, do SS, eat 10,000 calories a day, and whatever you do, do. not. ever. do. cardio.

There is very little creative thinking to adapt to any set of circumstances or any other set of goals besides GFH. And some of them (not all of them) come off as spoiled arrogant pricks as well. Which, of course, wouldn't be an issue to me if the content was good, but in my experience it usually just turns out to be the worst of both worlds.

Then again, I wouldn't seek out poker advice on a fitness/bodybuilding board either, so perhaps I'm holding them to too high of a standard.

[wesrman]

Then again, I wouldn't seek out poker advice on a fitness/bodybuilding board either, so perhaps I'm holding them to too high of a standard.

HAHA.

[wufwugy]

so i can do 2 pull ups at 240 pounds

not too bad, but not great. but thats why fatty's on a diet

[wesrman]

so i can do 2 pull ups at 240 pounds

not too bad, but not great. but thats why fatty's on a diet

More than most people at 240 lbs.

Results come fast after a long break so you're motivation should be through the roof.

[bigred]

i did 18 the other day, i'm a pullup machine

i weight 165....

[b-rabbit]

lets flex at each other guys!! or better yet, lets flex in front of the mirrors!!! this thread blows

[wufwugy]

lets flex at each other guys!! or better yet, lets flex in front of the mirrors!!! this thread blows

just for u

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sptjC...eature=related

and cant forget

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nivR8...layer_embedded

[bigred]

lets flex at each other guys!! or better yet, lets flex in front of the mirrors!!! this thread blows

oil my back for me, brabbit?

[wesrman]

lets flex at each other guys!! or better yet, lets flex in front of the mirrors!!! this thread blows

shave my ass for me, brabbit?

FYP.

[bigred]

i can do that on my own kthx

[b-rabbit]

lol at gay energy drink. "made with penis...REAL PENIS"