I got de-stacked twice today

[SmackinYaUp]

***** Hand History for Game 2038105729 *****
$50 NL Hold'em - Thursday, May 12, 14:14:14 EDT 2005
Table Table 36641 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: KingJames43 ( $7.65 )
Seat 2: clipshow07 ( $19.8 )
Seat 3: amdidk666 ( $51.2 )
Seat 4: Freeze48 ( $38.25 )
Seat 5: purra10 ( $61.75 )
Seat 6: SlappYou ( $55.7 )
purra10 posts small blind [$0.25].
SlappYou posts big blind [$0.5].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to SlappYou [ Kd Kc ]
KingJames43 folds.
clipshow07 folds.
amdidk666 folds.
Freeze48 calls [$0.5].
purra10 calls [$0.25].
SlappYou raises [$1.5].
Freeze48 folds.
purra10 calls [$1.5].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5h, Qs, 5d ]
purra10 bets [$7].
SlappYou raises [$14].
purra10 is all-In [$52.75]
SlappYou is all-In [$39.7]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ad ]
** Dealing River ** [ 6h ]
SlappYou shows [ Kd, Kc ] two pairs, kings and fives.
purra10 shows [ 7h, 5c ] three of a kind, fives.
purra10 wins $6.05 from side pot #1 with three of a kind, fives.
purra10 wins $109.9 from the main pot with three of a kind, fives.


shouldnt have called that re-raise. anyone else wanna tell me where i went wrong

[SmackinYaUp]

This was at a new table, no reads on anyone. Assuming nobody knows my style.

***** Hand History for Game 2038116906 *****
$100 NL Hold'em - Thursday, May 12, 14:17:37 EDT 2005
Table Table 37420 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: RPMstock ( $151.9 )
Seat 3: ClaimIt ( $103 )
Seat 4: dux310 ( $130 )
Seat 5: kjbaz ( $25.1 )
Seat 6: PenniLane ( $225.07 )
Seat 2: SlappYou ( $100 )
kjbaz posts small blind [$0.5].
PenniLane posts big blind [$1].
SlappYou posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to SlappYou [ Jc Td ]
RPMstock calls [$1].
SlappYou raises [$3].
ClaimIt folds.
dux310 calls [$4].
kjbaz folds.
PenniLane folds.
RPMstock calls [$3].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Tc, 8c, 9s ]
RPMstock bets [$3].
SlappYou raises [$12].
dux310 calls [$12].
RPMstock folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ah ]
SlappYou checks.
dux310 bets [$5].
SlappYou raises [$25].
dux310 calls [$20].
** Dealing River ** [ Jh ]
SlappYou checks.
dux310 checks.
SlappYou shows [ Jc, Td ] two pairs, jacks and tens.
dux310 shows [ Th, As ] two pairs, aces and tens.
dux310 wins $88.5 from the main pot with two pairs, aces and tens.

The guy's turn bet was so weak compared to the pot that I just had to raise it hard with a pair + draw. Was this just a waste of money?

[SmackinYaUp]

***** Hand History for Game 2038207432 *****
$100 NL Hold'em - Thursday, May 12, 14:44:31 EDT 2005
Table Table 37420 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: RPMstock ( $162.45 )
Seat 3: ClaimIt ( $100 )
Seat 6: PenniLane ( $245.97 )
Seat 2: SlappYou ( $200.33 )
Seat 5: sonicsouts ( $99.35 )
Seat 4: richa777 ( $25 )
SlappYou posts small blind [$0.5].
ClaimIt posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to SlappYou [ Qh As ]
sonicsouts folds.
PenniLane calls [$1].
RPMstock folds.
SlappYou raises [$3.5].
ClaimIt folds.
PenniLane calls [$3].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ad, Ah, 2h ]
SlappYou bets [$6].
PenniLane raises [$12].
SlappYou calls [$6].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4d ]
SlappYou bets [$10].
PenniLane raises [$75].
SlappYou raises [$130].
PenniLane raises [$130].
SlappYou is all-In [$44.33]
** Dealing River ** [ 3c ]
PenniLane shows [ 2c, 2d ] a full house, Twos full of aces.
SlappYou doesn't show [ Qh, As ] three of a kind, aces.
PenniLane wins $20.67 from side pot #1 with a full house, Twos full of aces.
PenniLane wins $399.66 from the main pot with a full house, Twos full of aces.
damn nh

[ensign_lee]

Man. I know the hurt. I lost $150 in the span of 3 hands...3 HANDS!!! yesterday. I now know what you mean by 'swingy' shorthand.

[SmackinYaUp]

Yea it can be rough -3 buyins in 3 hands is never fun. I feel like I could have saved myself some cash in these spots though, especially the first hand. Where did I go wrong?

[The_Cheat]

Hand 1- Abosuluty NO reason to call that reraise. I fold here all day.
Hand 2- Tougher call in my book. Looks to me like he trapped you a little... I probably make the same move.
Hand 3- I make the same move. No reason to put him on ducks right there. This one is kind of a tough break

[Grand_MasterB]

hand 1 - you gotta make this tough lay down...pot isnt worth it for a paired board

hand 2 - you have a mediocre hand with a draw that will seldom come through with one card left. i would have called the $5 and if i didnt make a straight fold on the end.

hand 3 - this one is close..yeah you flop a good hand but the thing that gets me is his minimum raise on the flop..thats gotta send warning signals. hard to get away from i know.. i might have just called and have seen how strong he would have playe dit from there on out

[dalecooper]

First hand you must lay down. Just no reason to lose so much money there.

Second hand, I like your play. It's arguable that you need to raise the turn, but that's a good aggressive move.

Third hand, no need for the raise war on the turn. When he starts playing back at you with that huge raise, flat call and see what happens on the river. You were eager to push all your chips in with a hand that's not the nuts, against an opponent showing all kinds of strength. Now, it's certainly possible that he's an idiot with AT or something. Which is why you would be happy calling his raise and then river bet for the cheapest possible showdown. But if he's sitting on a pocket pair for the boat (twos would be the most likely since he raised you on the flop), or even AK, you're in trouble. Out of his range of possible hands to show this much strength with (and also to call your pre-flop raise), I'd say it's something like this:

22 AK AQ AJ ATs... maybe KK (if he's not that smart)

One of those is a split, two of them put you in serious trouble, two of them put you ahead. And based on the size of his turn raise, it's easier to put him on AK or 22 than any of the others; AJ or AT would usually just call down unless it was a very aggressive, not very bright player. Again I have to say, call down here but don't throw as much money at this hand as possible.

[The_Cheat]

looking over it again, maybe on the Aces and dueces hand you could have raised a little stronger preflop. I mean, 3 bones man? WTF is that? You saw him limp for a dollar, drop the hammer and make him commit to the pot. No reason to keep Mr. "I got dueces and i want to hang with the big boys" in the flop for cheap

[dalecooper]

I disagree - 3xBB is a pretty standard raise. What you want with any good starting hand is a raise that gets you 1 or 2 callers. Here, that mission was accomplished. You don't want to chase off all possible action by raising like a maniac before every flop. I will raise more than 3xBB if there are a lot of limpers before me, or the table is pretty loose and people aren't folding to my usual raise, but for this table it looks like he got exactly the action he wanted. At least until the flop came down and screwed him royally.

Also, most people in most games aren't folding any pocket pair pre-flop. They've learned (correctly) that flopping a set, especially against a raiser, can net big rewards. Here both players have over $200 in their stack - why fold a pocket pair to any raise from the other player? I'd call up to $10 pre-flop with a pocket pair in that situation, just hoping to flop a set and destroy him.

[SmackinYaUp]

Almost every time I enter the pot, I make it $4 to go. He had already paid $1 so it was only $3 more to go. I think 3xBB is weak but in No-Limit the only thing raising is going to do is hopefully get someone attached to their weaker kicker or let you buy the pot on the flop. So besides giving me the postflop pot most of the time, preflop raising doesnt serve much purpose beyond rattling the opponents up. The big pots come up regardless of raising.

Anyways, I have gotten away from what made me so successful the past few months which was slowing down and thinking more about what the opponents have. I am going to just slow way down and hopefully improve the profits. I will still be aggressive as hell but I am going to be objective about it. And I am going to stop raising suited trash...I wish I could but I need to work on more important things in my game before I worry about trying to be one of the pros.

[javierloco09]

what is the mean this?

[Numbr2intheWorld]

hand 1: make it $2 or $2.5 pre $1.5 is too small. Secondly, i hate the flop minraise. call and let him bluff more or overplay a Q. Basically you're letting him play perfectly. I dont think you should fold to a shove when you minraise anyway.

hand 2: call turn hand 2, is flop overcall is pretty strong. You're lucky he's letting you draw so cheap. (although i do like the c/r to turn bets like this, just not when the flop move is so strong. You have to c/r bigger though its not gonna get folds)

Hand 3: I usually make it 4 or 5 pre. I like a flop 3bet, just because i want him to stack off with trip A's and i feel this is the best way to do it. Also he'll probably call with a fd or make an atrocious shove.

Also, i dont even get the turn bet, what are you trying to do?

[Numbr2intheWorld]

lol this is 2005....

[bode]

atleast you explained what is the mean this