KK 50nl

[Da GOAT]

-Been playing abit so far, some 3betting with postlflop been fairly striaght forward or mostly taking it down preflop between each other. THis doesnt imply there was much 3betting within an overall passive-ish game.
-still he had 3bet me enough that he has always got premiums.
-there have been no 4bets so i didnt think it right to 4bet here.
-dont remember to much about the rest of the game except i was playing well/solid. cant remember how he won some $ from me earlier so probably no big allin hands etc. Both of us bought in full.


$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
2 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
BTN Hero ($52.65)
BB keitell ($74.75)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 2 players) Hero is BTN
Hero raises to $1.50, keitell raises to $5.50, Hero calls $4

Flop: ($11, 2 players)
keitell bets $6.50, Hero calls $6.50

Turn: ($24, 2 players)
keitell checks, Hero bets $14.50, keitell calls $14.50

River: ($53, 2 players)
keitell bets $48.25, Hero ?????

[Results Hidden]

[metman04]

Definitely a tough decision, however, I think this could have been avoided with some aggression either before the flop or on the flop...i dont think you should be flat calling with an overpair as high has kings

[ATOTHEC101]

-still he had 3bet me enough that he has always got premiums.

If thats the case 4 bet to $14 pre as he never folds jj,qq,ak here as well some worse.

[Da GOAT]

i meant to say ''hasnt always got premiums'', sentence didtn make sense sorry

[ATOTHEC101]

I still like 4 betting pre as long as you mix in some light 4 bets with your trash hands, at the vert least I raise the flop to $18.

[Numbr2intheWorld]

i like how you played it, gotta fold now.

Just because you hadn't 4-bet yet doesn't mean 4-betting is bad though...

[Da GOAT]

i should note we have 1/2 pot left on river so thats all we need to call on riv. in case anyone misread

[Da GOAT]

i should note we have 1/2 pot left on river so thats all we need to call on riv. in case anyone misread

[bigspenda73]

I'm not so sure how Ax is still in his range but I also cannot figure out much he'd c/c the turn with and then turn into a bluff on the end.

I like the first 3 streets btw

[Luke999]

Looks like AQ to me.
Fold the river.

[bigspenda73]

why does this look like AQ?

[sauce123]

u beat exactly T9s, 97, JTs, Axs, Kxs, pairxs. All of these need to be played kinda tricky for calling to be right. I'd have to feel something off-kilter about his sizing or something to stick it in here even getting 3 to 1. You need some kind of tricky tendency which you can apply to this separate situation.

also: note: he played his hand terribly regardless of his holding

[sauce123]

not you, villain, your line is fine, 4betting or raising flop r obv acceptable as is jamming turn.

[Da GOAT]

sauce-do u mean jam overbet turn is ok??

I just figured I keep my range wide by calling flop instead of raising a v dry flop which is why i didnt raise flop, we didnt have a good dynamic for him to stack of light at all.

Ok I called pretty much expecting to be beat lol he had AQss

[Luke999]

why does this look like AQ?

WTF im sure I posted more lol. /Random

Anyway
Well he is cbetting the flop with a large proportion of his range, when we call the flop after flatting his 3bet I doubt he ever puts us on trips.
I don't think he is ever check calling the turn with QQ/KK/AA but he would do it with AQ because he beats a large portion of our range here. When he leads the river I think he expects to get called by a worse Q or even AK.

Just smells like AQ to me lol.

[griffey24]

If he's only been 3-betting premiums, thats even more reason to make a small 4bet preflop. Cause his range is stronger, so he's less likely to fold. If you had said he was 3betting a wide range, and there hasn't been a 4bet yet so you flatted, that would make more sense given his range imo.

As played, I'd raise flop.

As played, I'd bet stronger on the turn, since i feel like he's either c/f to any bet or bluff catching. (in which case, you'd have an easy river call)

As played, on river I would have a tough time folding here but it definitely seems like AQ/QQQ to me. I definitely fold if it was full pot, given half pot I still think its a fold.

[Da GOAT]

i do tend to agree with you though I not mad about raising flop since ill prob take the pot down to often and not get max value form bluffs since i kept my range wide by calling.

[LexyBack]

Don't eva slow play AA/KK preflop HU. Get him up to $17-20 and get it in pre. Same now your on the flop, flatting KK pre your gonna be fairly disguised here, so come over the top on the flop, jam turn if he calls on flop.

[LexyBack]

One more thing, I don't put him on AQ here EVA! If he has AQ why does he slow down on the turn? Not a danger card or one that is likely to have hit u. AQ shud def fire again, makes no sense checking here. He called turn so he has something to work with here, A def a scare card so again makes no sense shoving the river with a premium hand?

Possibility he was trapping with QQQ, I'm not ruling out Ts or Js here, AK also? Makes sense if they spades.

[jyms]

He has Ax spades here. He made a std Cbet because you called his 3bet. He puts you on PP or Broadways. He hit his flush draw on the turn and C/C'd. The A was just magic for him so he figures your calling his bet w/ any Qx. Not 4betting pre or raising the flop makes this hand real hard to play against a non std line.

[poker3player333]

I would have raised the pot preflop and not given him the chance to outdraw with something like Ax or a middle pp.

[boos1122]

aah this is very difficult. I think just raise and see what happens. You cant fold this. He is a very lucky man when he hit the A on the turn.

[str32]

preflop allin? would that have make any sense?

[str32]

Looks like AQ to me.
Fold the river.

it also might be AA

[poker3player333]

I think you have to come over the top pre or on the flop or turn. If he has something like AQ don't let him get there free.

[AngelBoy]

That was bad playing with a pocket King's - but in this situation -100% fold

I minraise the flop and ship turn
the reason I like a minraise is because it makes the turn a PSB

this is how this hand SHOULD have gone down:
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($39.50)
UTG ($101)
MP ($124.90)
Hero (Button) ($180.45)
SB ($107)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K, K
2 folds, Hero bets $3, SB raises to $11, 1 fold, Hero calls $8

Flop: ($23) K, 2, 4 (2 players)
SB bets $18, Hero raises to $36, SB raises to $96 (All-In), Hero calls $60

Turn: ($215) 7 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($215) J (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $215 | Rake: $2

Results:
Hero had K, K (three of a kind, Kings).
SB had 6, 6 (one pair, sixes).
Outcome: Hero won $213

[golfguy37]

I would have kicked myself for slow playing if I were you. It would be a tough decision but for that much I would fold. Show the hidden results. I'm curious!

[Halv]

Preflop/flop; anything goes.

Turn; I think I like the bet size to be a teeny bit smaller. Gives him a little bit more apparent FE so he can spazz c/rai. Also makes our river shove a bit more plausible as a bluff (most sane players will give up when the float is called if there's only a half pot bet left for the river). Obv if he c/calls turn he has a bluff catcher a ton.

River; so weird for him to donk the ace. Value range is for the most part like big aces/Axss, A4/6/8s, tricky set/overpair? Bluff range like JT, T9, 97, random spades? I feel like there are alot more SCs in peoples 3bet ranges than there are Ax hands so I feel like looking him up.

I generally look random players up alot when they take weird lines especially when getting a good price. The information gained from close spot showdowns is probably valuable enough to sway them into slightly +ev spots. ie in this hand if he shows you a monster then you can take them out of his double barrell range, if he shows you a draw then you can vb the turn light and bluffcatch alot of rivers.

(halv posting poker content? prepare for universe to implode)

[Purple_Pwner]

What a hard spot.. Can you reveal the rest of the hand? I'm curious now.

[Da GOAT]

think he had AQss, but this hand was like 5 months ago

[Halv]

sauce-do u mean jam overbet turn is ok??

I just figured I keep my range wide by calling flop instead of raising a v dry flop which is why i didnt raise flop, we didnt have a good dynamic for him to stack of light at all.

Ok I called pretty much expecting to be beat lol he had AQss

get a brain MORANS

[oskar]

I minraise the flop and ship turn
the reason I like a minraise is because it makes the turn a PSB

this is how this hand SHOULD have gone down:
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($39.50)
UTG ($101)
MP ($124.90)
Hero (Button) ($180.45)
SB ($107)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K, K
2 folds, Hero bets $3, SB raises to $11, 1 fold, Hero calls $8

Flop: ($23) K, 2, 4 (2 players)
SB bets $18, Hero raises to $36, SB raises to $96 (All-In), Hero calls $60

Turn: ($215) 7 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($215) J (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $215 | Rake: $2

Results:
Hero had K, K (three of a kind, Kings).
SB had 6, 6 (one pair, sixes).
Outcome: Hero won $213

In a way I like that line, but it only works against idiots. It's not balanced at all. You have tptk+, you're not even doing it with a draw.
Someone who is even remotely thinking about what you're trying to do will fold top pair here.


On the original hand: I always 4b pre, raise that flop as played and prolly get it in on the turn. If you feel like you should be trapping, you're prolly playing too passive overall.

[golfguy37]

You just got unlucky, and now you have to fold. He reraised you preflop so theres a good chance he has an Ace. And I agree that this could have been avoided with a 4-bet.

I minraise the flop and ship turn
the reason I like a minraise is because it makes the turn a PSB

this is how this hand SHOULD have gone down:
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($39.50)
UTG ($101)
MP ($124.90)
Hero (Button) ($180.45)
SB ($107)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K, K
2 folds, Hero bets $3, SB raises to $11, 1 fold, Hero calls $8

Flop: ($23) K, 2, 4 (2 players)
SB bets $18, Hero raises to $36, SB raises to $96 (All-In), Hero calls $60

Turn: ($215) 7 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($215) J (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $215 | Rake: $2

Results:
Hero had K, K (three of a kind, Kings).
SB had 6, 6 (one pair, sixes).
Outcome: Hero won $213

In a way I like that line, but it only works against idiots. It's not balanced at all. You have tptk+, you're not even doing it with a draw.
Someone who is even remotely thinking about what you're trying to do will fold top pair here.

I minraised on the flop and folded earlier in a 3b pot so he obviously thought I only minraise as a bluff