200nl 2p in bvb

[jessyj]

very first hand at table. what do we do in this spot? guy is unknown and has a dumb name so probably bad.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($295.95)
Button ($196)
SB ($471)
Hero (BB) ($200)
UTG ($201.50)
UTG+1 ($225.35)
MP1 ($235.35)
MP2 ($311.70)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J, 7
6 folds, SB calls $1, Hero bets $8, SB calls $6

Flop: ($16) 8, 5, J (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $11.10, SB calls $11.10

Turn: ($38.20) 7 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $28, SB raises to $70, Hero

[Deanglow]

well looks like a call and call most rivers

[pokerfan]

it's sooo distrustful in BVB spots. I think that it's at least on the bottom of our stacking off range. I'd probably shove over vs this donk and feel happy about it considering that it's a drawy heavy board. Anyway, I rarely give anybody credit for a monster hand in sb vs bb war barring some uber FR nits.

[daven]

i think that you have to call, but most rivers suck for him as well as you. Don't fold. You will rarely face a river bet.

Raising is tempting cos he isn't folding any. I dunno, thinking about it more and his line doesn't make much sense unless the 7 improved his hand. Does he play JQ like this ever? Maybe J9/JT I guess, that and a lot of two pair hands and straights.

[oskar]

basically you have a bluffcatcher, but with this kind of action it is very possible that his line of thinking is something like "I think my Jx is the best hand here, I raise!" or "Lol trapped you with my AA, I raise!"
Non-retarded players generally don't open limp the sb vs an unknown.

It is very rare that someone will wait for the turn to c/r a flushdraw, but it happens.
I think your hand is easily strong enough to make this a +EV call... if he pots or overbets the river I might find a fold, but I'd call the river most of the time.

[jessyj]

f he pots or overbets the river

pot will bet ~$200 while stacks are $110. So many bad cards and the pot is big so I'm not sure why everybody likes calling. I'm not saying you guys are wrong because clearly I am if you all think calling is correct but I'm curious why it's right to call and wrong to ship.

[pokerfan]

f he pots or overbets the river

pot will bet ~$200 while stacks are $110. So many bad cards and the pot is big so I'm not sure why everybody likes calling. I'm not saying you guys are wrong because clearly I am if you all think calling is correct but I'm curious why it's right to call and wrong to ship.

lol, these guys are all FTRer nits with some timid soul Honestly, Its a shitty spot but we shove this over for millions of reasons Dont be result-oriented.

[Renton]

its call/call or call/fold

I hate shoving.

I would probably call and muck most rivers honestly.