200NL: Reg wars spew?

[d0zer]

Villain is playing like 28/22 42 ATS, overall AF of 15, c-bets a lot.

At the time of the first hand I thought I'd found a bet sizing tell where he'd near pot the flop it with a strong hand & make it a BB or two less on a c-bet where he was less confident. He also seems on the spewier side of the reg spectrum, capable of multi-street bluffs.

Anyway, so this happens:

$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
5 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG RUrbach ($234)
CO TheKaas ($206)
BTN Hero ($203)
SB CrabClaws ($204)
BB nemmad ($330.60)

Pre-Flop: ($3, 5 players) Hero is BTN
RUrbach raises to $6, 1 fold, Hero calls $6, 2 folds

Flop: ($15, 2 players)
RUrbach bets $10, Hero calls $10

Turn: ($35, 2 players)
RUrbach bets $24, Hero calls $24

River: ($83, 2 players)
RUrbach bets $56, Hero calls $56

Final Pot: $195
RUrbach shows a pair of Sixes

Hero shows two pair, Jacks and Sixes


Hero wins $193 (net +$97)

RUrbach lost $96


Then a few orbits later we get in this spot.

Now I view him as capable of firing flop & turn with air, but I'm not sure he would fire three streets into me without at least KJ+ given I just called him down pretty light. I think it's pretty likely that he's value betting me with KJ+ given his image and he may view me as somewhat stationey, at least against him.

So on the river I feel like I have to fold or shove, and I opted to shove to fold out better kings as I can rep a straight draw that just hit, backdoor diamonds with a pair on flop, a 2pr hand like 89 or set with 99. All these hands I think are reasonably in my range on the river, as well as a slowplayed set I was trapping him with given he thinks I probably view him as spewy.

$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
5 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG Jim14Qc ($272.60)
CO nemmad ($587.15)
BTN RUrbach ($224.70)
SB rendino ($104.05)
BB Hero ($290.35)

Pre-Flop: ($3, 5 players) Hero is BB
2 folds, RUrbach raises to $6, rendino calls $5, Hero calls $4

Flop: ($18, 3 players)
rendino checks, Hero checks, RUrbach bets $14, rendino folds, Hero calls $14

Turn: ($46, 2 players)
Hero checks, RUrbach bets $28, Hero calls $28

River: ($102, 2 players)
Hero checks, RUrbach bets $68, Hero goes all-in $242.35

Spew

[griffey24]

I agree with your read that he's less likely to bluff you here for sure. Based on that fact I think he'd also bet bigger if he had a very strong hand.

I think he has KJ-AK here a ton based on sizing. So you would know better than anyone if he can fold those hands.

If he can fold, I like it. Definitely shove > call.. just not sure if shove > fold or fold > shove.

[d0zer]

I agree with your read that he's less likely to bluff you here for sure. Based on that fact I think he'd also bet bigger if he had a very strong hand.

I think he has KJ-AK here a ton based on sizing. So you would know better than anyone if he can fold those hands.

If he can fold, I like it. Definitely shove > call.. just not sure if shove > fold or fold > shove.

I dunno how he can't. I mean he's a decent enough handreader, I've got no air in my range and he's never caught me making a big bluff like this. I'm gambling he's decent enough to put it together that I'm repping more than a pair, but I rly thought he was.

[mcatdog]

Turn seems like a fold against the described player.

[d0zer]

Turn seems like a fold against the described player.

Actually I had that feeling as I was typing out my reads...why am I calling turn if he's less likely to spew given our recent history? Also he fired into the donk on the flop. Not that he'd never do that on this board or anything but it's probably a little less likely.

I think in the heat of the moment I was just thinking zomg spewtard I call, then on the river I started to question whether or not he would actually spew here again. My brain isn't that quick obv

[bjsaust]

As played since you got to the river I agree shove > call. Probably better than fold also.

Btw, villain had gutshot on flop and oesd on turn in hand 1, not air. I think he played it well. Without your sizing tell you'd have folded by river usually right?

[shakesss]

I think both hands put you in a tricky spot.. in hand 1.. if a club had rolled off on the river you could probably not call a bet.. if a str8 card comes off its pretty tough to fold given they are pretty well disguised..and his utg range includes too many things that u lose to.. this was just one of those rare situations which justify this play in the long run.. i find ppl end up spewing quite a bit in these spots.. 3bet pre on hand 1 with probably one street of value is the max u can get out of this hand without opening urself up for losing 60-70bbs.. the times u lose making these calls probably doesnt make it a +ev line..

hand 2 is a similar tricky spot but its even worse coz ur out of position.. the meta game is an added variable in an already shitty spot.. on the river he probably has less then 600bbs left.. his stack is considerably less than the pot.. and u would never check a really big hand to him since he is less likely to bet the river.. i see him looking u up with a lot of his range here.. 3bet pre and either double barrel or c/r flop c/f turn..

[shakesss]

{Double Post}

[Ash256]

Would you be making these preflop calls if these hands weren't suited?

idk, i really don't think calling with weak picture card hands is a good way to win a war vs a sLAG reg

[mcatdog]

Would you be making these preflop calls if these hands weren't suited?

Would you be playing AA if one of the cards were a deuce?

[bikes]

Would you be making these preflop calls if these hands weren't suited?

Would you be playing AA if one of the cards were a deuce?

fatb claims this is one of the most powerful hands, the most powerful card and teh weakest card for deception.


but obv agree with everyone, fold turn as played i like the shove.

[Ash256]

Would you be making these preflop calls if these hands weren't suited?

Would you be playing AA if one of the cards were a deuce?

Er, the difference between A2 and AA ≠ the difference between J9s and J9o

[mcatdog]

Obviously, but you have to draw the line somewhere regarding what hands you can play and what hands you can't. As soon as one accepts your logic that if we fold one hand we should fold another hand that's stronger by a decent amount, then if we're folding A2 then we're folding A3 and if we're folding A3 then we're folding A4 and if we're folding A4 then we're folding A5 and if if we're folding A5 then we're folding A6 and if if we're folding A6 then we're folding A7 and if if we're folding A7 then we're folding A8 and if we're folding A8 then we're folding A9 and if we're folding A9 then we're folding AT and if we're folding AT then we're folding AJ and if we're folding AJ then we're folding AQ and if we're folding AQ then we're folding AK and if we're folding AK then we're folding KK and if we're folding KK then we're folding AA.

[bigspenda73]

I rarely, if ever, fold AA PF.

[d0zer]

Would you be making these preflop calls if these hands weren't suited?

idk, i really don't think calling with weak picture card hands is a good way to win a war vs a sLAG reg

At the risk of derailing this perfectly good thread into a boring preflop discussion, I'll just say that in hand1, a decent suited hand IP with a donk in the blinds often calling is more than enough reasons to call.

Hand 2 the donk had already called & I like playing pots with donks, especially with decent implied odds hands. Usually I'm not calling KTs OOP without a decent reason.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Hand 1 seems bad, id probably fold preflop, but folding to the turn bet seems close, id probably fold. However, you won the hand so maybe i'm wrong.

Hand 2: Another close turn spot, seems like opp is cbetting all his air on the flop and has the propensity to two or 3 barrel good cards, which the 2 certainly is. River is very close too. It's hard to tell whether opp would give up river assuming you either slowplayed or have a king or barrel again. Shove is interesting based on pure bet sizing. I have to say I like it, looks like you slowplayed 66/88 or backdoored a flush with A8dd or 87dd. Thin range but then again your entire range is made hands, he'd have to put you on a made hand turned into a bluff... or just be stationy.