1/2: go red line, part 4

[pocketfours]

Moar sickness. My stats for all of these are 21/19/2.9 with 14% 3bet.

1: MP is a good lag, SB is a 40/10 fish. Seems I'm possessed by evil forces.

SB ($436.30)
BB ($269.95)
UTG ($202.20)
MP ($421.15)
CO ($213.70)
Hero (Button) ($274.40)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, 9
1 fold, MP bets $7, 1 fold, Hero raises to $16, SB calls $15, 1 fold, MP calls $9

Flop: ($50) J, J, 4 (3 players)
SB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $40, 1 fold, MP calls $40

Turn: ($130) K (2 players)
MP checks, Hero checks

River: ($130) 3 (2 players)
MP bets $89, Hero raises to $218.40 (All-In)

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2: Fake call behind then 4bet trap. CO was 3bet 14%. Villain is certainly competent enough to understand what my line represents.

UTG ($224.85)
Hero (MP) ($601.75)
CO ($268.10)
Button ($218)
SB ($352.35)
BB ($460.50)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 7, 6
UTG bets $6, Hero calls $6, CO raises to $24, 4 folds, Hero raises to $62, CO calls $38

Flop: ($133) K, 5, Q (2 players)
Hero bets $58, CO calls $58

Turn: ($249) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $148.10 (to put villain All-In)

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3. Villain is an average loose reg. This is 3rd time in a row I 3bet him IP.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($201)
UTG ($200)
MP ($200)
CO ($343.50)
Hero (Button) ($454.30)
SB ($257.80)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 7, 7
2 folds, CO bets $6, Hero raises to $18, 2 folds, CO raises to $99.10, Hero raises to $454.30 (All-In) ($244.40 to call)

[baudib]

Your posts are certainly entertaining.

my only comment is on hand 2: If villain is competent to understand what your line represents, then think about what kind of hand he has here. At a minimum he has AK; otherwise he has AA or a set of Kings or Queens or maybe AK hearts, and thinking he can fold these hands getting like 3-1 seems...not likely.

edit: the KK hand is pretty sick, not sure who would be able to fold that but it sure seems like you're beat.

[pocketfours]

Your posts are certainly entertaining.

my only comment is on hand 2: If villain is competent to understand what your line represents, then think about what kind of hand he has here. At a minimum he has AK; otherwise he has AA or a set of Kings or Queens or maybe AK hearts, and thinking he can fold these hands getting like 3-1 seems...not likely.

He is very likely folding at least TT-JJ, probably AQs and all his crazy floats. He might have a wide spewcall range preflop also.

[minSim]

I don't think I have something worthy to add for you, but maybe you want to clarify why you didn't bet the turn in hand 1?

Some things I can imagine:
- you think a c/r is likely
- you think a check behind turn, bet river wil get more credit
- stacks aren't great for betting turn+river
- you expected villain to bluff the river a lot and so planned to shove over a lot

[shakesss]

You are definitely a sicko. Really like the posts and feel sorry for the villains.

Really like hand 1 if you are pretty sure he will bet a lot of weaker hands or bluffs.

Hand 2 was really well repped. I can see ppl folding out a lot of their range here.

Hand 3 I think ull probably get looked up but his range will be a lot weaker since you 3b him so much.

Hand 4 was pretty anticlimactic. Its probably one of those in the moment things i guess.

[pocketfours]

I don't think I have something worthy to add for you, but maybe you want to clarify why you didn't bet the turn in hand 1?

With these stacks I must bet small if I bet at all and he isn't checkfolding any part of his range to a small bet. In a situation where garbage plays against garbage you must be the one who goes all in first, garbage can't call.

[pocketfours]

Hand 4 was pretty anticlimactic. Its probably one of those in the moment things i guess.

You are right, fuck hand 4, it doesn't belong here. I'll remove it from the collection and put it in a thread of it's own.

[baudib]

Your posts are certainly entertaining.

my only comment is on hand 2: If villain is competent to understand what your line represents, then think about what kind of hand he has here. At a minimum he has AK; otherwise he has AA or a set of Kings or Queens or maybe AK hearts, and thinking he can fold these hands getting like 3-1 seems...not likely.

He is very likely folding at least TT-JJ, probably AQs and all his crazy floats. He might have a wide spewcall range preflop also.

TT-JJ yeah, AQ not so sure. great stuff though. I get that he's a 3-betting monkey, but what is his flat 4-bet range?

Q: Were you jamming all turn cards, or just ones that may have helped your hand, like this one? Jamming a heart would have been fun.

Of course all of your recent posts are above my water level but most of them I can't understand without knowing more about your history and reads other than stats.

[pocketfours]

Q: Were you jamming all turn cards, or just ones that may have helped your hand, like this one? Jamming a heart would have been fun.

I'd shove any heart, ace, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8 or 9. The cbet was actually just a tiny bit too big, but can't get it perfect every time.

[griffey24]

Hand 1 - why not just double barrel turn? You'll get folds a ton.

Hand 2 - I don't mind it. Would you have shoved without OESD? I'm mostly only worried about QQQ here.. he prob has a lot of JJ/AQ.

Hand 3 - I think this is good given dynamic.

[pocketfours]

Hand 1 - why not just double barrel turn? You'll get folds a ton.

I think you aren't reading the situation correctly. See my opinion is that he isn't folding any part of his range.

Hand 2 - I don't mind it. Would you have shoved without OESD? I'm mostly only worried about QQQ here.. he prob has a lot of JJ/AQ.

I already answered that I would shove anything that gives me anything. I could just as well stick it in on any turn though because villain is a reg and shoving is good for my image.

[IowaSkinsFan]

All these seem bad.

1. I agree with Grif, 2 barreling seems better but i think I'd just check turn and hope his bluffing frequency on the river with a fd isnt high.

2. Everything seems terrible here. The preflop call, the 4bet, and the flop bet. Turn is std with how you played it but you messed up earlier in the hand big time.

3. I'd just call pre here everytime.

[Numbr2intheWorld]

hand 1 could be pretty awesome against a bunch of midstakes regs but maybe sucks for rush.

[Ravageur]

First of all, I like your posts p4s but...

While entertaining, i'm not sure what you want us to say about hand 2. I mean this is obviously horrible and I think you know it? I can't believe some people actually like this (except for griffey aka darkspewos who does this stuff on his monday morning). You can rationalize it and say it will help your image and you're right. So just make some spewy move like this and get it over with - though I think i'd rather do stuff like get it in with suited garbage aces pre or small pairs. I mean are you doing this to setup the next time you get AA so you can backraise? That situation seems to happen once every 20 sessions or so and will it make up for this and other spews? I'm curious what you expected the responses to be when you posted this either than confusion/wtf. I also don't think people notice/adjust enough unless you're constantly playing the same regs.

Hand 1 can be pretty sick because I definitely think the odd tag will level himself into folding QJ and he has missed stuff a bit as well that he's folding. If he's transparent he'd also probably have bet closer to pot with the nuts thinking your calling range is pretty inelastic (whatever that means) i.e. you're calling pretty much any size with Jx+ and folding everything else. This is why I hate his betsize. Smaller or bigger in these spots seems better. Smaller so you can call light or big because ppl don't fold 3 of a kind (we're assuming he has the best hand and you actually had q high beat).

Hand 3 seems fine since you're obviously embracing variance and this is AK so much + the odd horrible fold he'll make after making this oddly big 4-bet which seems desperate for a fold.

[griffey24]

Good post Rav!

But lets be clear, on hand 2 I definitely don't like this. I don't like the preflop call to begin with vs an utg open, and I don't like the 4bet. I just think that once he flats our 4bet instead of shipping, vs that range of hands, this board is decently ok to run a bluff.

And rav I really don't think anybody is finding a fold with QJ in the river on hand 1. Instead he will be like "wtf.. this makes no sense. AQ missed, QT missed, clubs missed.... he's probably just trying to bluff me. callll"

[Toadstool]

Hand 1, you don't bet the turn because you don't want to give him a good shoving opportunity? kind of manouvering the pot and stacks so you can be the one shoving in these situations, where ranges are wide.

Hand 2 I like, given how drawy the board is and how small you bet, and him just flatting, makes his range a lot weaker in my eyes. given the turn, you have enough equity when called to give you enough FE to make this a profitable shove, especially with your read that he's competent.

Hand 3, this is a snap snap shove here for me, look how big he 4 bet!!!! especially after you have 3 bet him 3 times in a row his bluffing frequency here is going to be huge.

[pocketfours]

Thanks for your thoughts rav. In hand 2 nobody asked about UTG which is the missing piece. He was a very loose donator whale, which is why I flatted and why I thought I could represent that I expected the squeeze from mr 14% 3bet. Obviously pretty shitty hand still, but it wasn't any random spazzout. Seems I got some credit since villain folded.

Hand 3, yeah I'll take the variance no problem. There's always fold equity in these spots as you said. 77 is pretty close to the top of my range so had to go with it.

[Ravageur]

Yeah i definitely think the guy is folding enough in hand 2 when you hit the nut turn card for your hand to make it fine once you did all the spewing preflop. Just don't think settting up that play with 67o is good mainly because I assumed someone that's 3-betting 14% is likely a high variance LAG that's not gonna be making any folds anywhere like folding AK/AQ so he's probably just gonna be confused with your line and shove thinking you have a hand like 99.

And Griff, I can see myself trying to hero fold J10/QJ If i'm villain in hand 1 though obviously not versus a player like p4s if I knew anything about him.