hand against mailman

[oskar]

SB is some random donk, BB is mailman. I've been active. He didn't know who I was.
His range for raising the donk should be pretty damn wide including lots of semi bluffs and maybe some air. he'll prolly call my turn 3b with 9+ outs and 2 pair... ships sets on the turn for sure. I don't think he squeezes too wide pre because he wants to keep SB in, but he prolly 3-bets ATs+, AJ+, 99+.
I think my range looks like 88, A8, backdoor flush and combo draws.
I was going to bet around 32 on the river but timed out.
I'm positive that river is an easy bet, but I think checking back flop, raising turn and river sizing are kind of interesting.

$0.50/$1 No Limit Holdem
3 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
Hero ($96.50)
SB ($103)
BB ($100)

Pre-Flop: ($1.50, 3 players) Hero is BTN
Hero raises to $3, SB calls $2.50, BB calls $2

Flop: ($9, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($9, 3 players)
SB bets $3, BB raises to $12, Hero raises to $33, SB folds, BB calls $21

River: ($78, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero times out.

[griffey24]

Your range looks pretty FoS, maybe 888. Possibly A8, but you might even cold call turn sometimes.

I don't see what a bet of $32 will accomplish here? You have a pair, you 'd be folding out hands that you already beat (QJss or some BS, 9Tss). You'd prob fold out 6xss and 8xss.

I would just bet flop really.

[oskar]

Folding out 8xss, 78, Kxss, maybe some Ax that he decided to peel light and cc blank rivers because my line is weired. That has to be at least 35% of his range.

I know my range looks FOS, but it contains lots of backdoor clubs, so I don't think I'll get hero-called too much on that river.

[Halv]

Would you raise the donk out of the pot with a flushdraw on the turn?

[meeloche]

No No No. Both sb and bb can have way more nutted hands than you in this spot, you're repping very little and this isn't even that great of a line for value if you happen to have 88.

[Alexos]

Interesting hand, except the part where you want to bet 32$ on river. Why would you want to do that? Having played it this way I'm certainly shoving river since the only hand that will call is AcXc given your read about his turn play.

[oskar]

@halvsame
I think the SB is calling the raise < 25% anyway, so yes, I would raise a club draw. It's not like my hand is that different.

@melochee
What's your plan with 88 then? Do you really want to flat that board?
So would you just flat the turn because they could have all possible set / 2-pair / straight - combos? If anything the way it came down I think it makes both their ranges look weaker than if they had checked to me again. SB is more weighted towards underpair, 2nd pair type hands and BB would prolly raise pretty much his entire range... bet sizing looks like he wants SB out.

About the $32 - idk how much added value there is in trying to get him off Aces up... if he would even raise/call the turn oop, c/f river with A5, A6, A8 instead of just shipping the turn.

[nutsinho]

not sure why you think he would ship the turn w/ a set when your range is 88 97 and bluffs, but anyway it seems like the river is still an easy jam, betting less is a terrible idea

[griffey24]

I would either check here or jam here. Anything in between is either getting snap folded (air) or snap called (aces up +)

I'm not even sure he would raise Axcc on the turn, so I'm leaning towards jam, since I think he hardly shows up with a flush here.

[meeloche]

.

@melochee
What's your plan with 88 then? Do you really want to flat that board?
So would you just flat the turn because they could have all possible set / 2-pair / straight - combos? If anything the way it came down I think it makes both their ranges look weaker than if they had checked to me again. SB is more weighted towards underpair, 2nd pair type hands and BB would prolly raise pretty much his entire range... bet sizing looks like he wants SB out.

I'd probably just play exploitably and make a small raise. The problem is you really don't want to have the fish fold if you have a big hand. If you insist on bluffing here then I'd be jamming the river not betting small. I don't understand why you think bb is trying to bluff sb here. Doesn't seem all that good to be bluff raising sb here often if at all. So I guess I disagree with you that he's raising wide here.

[Genitruc]

giving up river seems like it ll make the most maniez

[oskar]

I guess we're all talking about different ranges. I thought that his range for calling pre/ raising SB is enormous and that he will call with all kinds of 8x with a draw Kxss on the turn that he will fold to a small bet on the river, and not so sure if he would fold aces up to a jam on the river anyway. I would discard Ax from his range because I think he's just calling the SB with that.
So I'm still confused why you guys like a jam so much better than a smaller bet.


If I got my range right then shoving is definitely more +EV than checking, even if he calls with aces up. Not sure if it's more +EV than betting something gay.

[meeloche]

You bet small with 888?