QQ vs 3bet

[fakedecoy]

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP1 ($65.70)
Hero (MP2) ($47.50)
CO ($113.70)
Button ($35.60)
SB ($20)
BB ($17.50)
UTG ($27.60)
UTG+1 ($20)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q, Q
3 folds, Hero bets $3, CO raises to $10.50, 3 folds, Hero calls $7.50

Flop: ($22.50) 6, 5, 5 (2 players)
Hero?


CO is 16/9 and hasn't made any obvious mistakes over 2k hands. I'd put him on AA or KK preflop, but I felt funny folding with QQ. I've read here that you should never fold QQ preflop, but I don't understand why I shouldn't fold if I put him on KK or AA and I'm not getting at least 1:10 implied odds to hit a Q.

[badgers]

you only have 47BB and this is a spot where he should be 3b bluffing/ 3betting with AK. Shove preflop as played c/shove...

If you really put him on exactly KK+ then fold. This seems somewhat unlikely however unless you are the nittiest of all nits, which seems completely possible given this OP.

[Deanglow]

with your stack 4bet shove

[daven]

what's with playing 50bb and now knowing how to play 50bb?

[ljove]

Calling his 3bet preflop is week.You should push all in preflop.You know he got AA KK AK or maybe something like AQ,AJ,JJ or low pocket pair

[dranger7070]

you only have 47BB and this is a spot where he should be 3b bluffing/ 3betting with AK. Shove preflop as played c/shove...

If you really put him on exactly KK+ then fold. This seems somewhat unlikely however unless you are the nittiest of all nits, which seems completely possible given this OP.

I lol'd.

Agree with hand advice given here as well.

[WildBobAA]

What's his 3bet %? It's correct to 4bet for value with 100BB stacks if villian's 3bet is >= 3%. Since you have 47BBs, you should be snap shoving this unless his 3 bet is below about 1.5% (rough estimate).

[fakedecoy]

what's with playing 50bb and now knowing how to play 50bb?

Can you rephrase your question? What adjustments should I make for shallow tables?

[dranger7070]

The shallower your stack, the more willing you should be to stack off with a weaker holding.

[dranger7070]

Weaker being, TPTK, overpairs and whatnot.

[Illfavor]

It's correct to 4bet for value with 100BB stacks if villian's 3bet is >= 3%.

Could you explain this a little better? This is a really generic statement that assumes we know a lot, and doesn't really make much sense to me. Are you saying that it's fine to 4b 100bb deep in thise specific spot?...or with QQ in general? I mean we have no info on dynamic or the villains continuing range so it seems like this statement cannot be correct, but I may just be looking at it incorrectly.

[WildBobAA]

Could you explain this a little better? This is a really generic statement that assumes we know a lot, and doesn't really make much sense to me. Are you saying that it's fine to 4b 100bb deep in thise specific spot?...or with QQ in general? I mean we have no info on dynamic or the villains continuing range so it seems like this statement cannot be correct, but I may just be looking at it incorrectly.

I'm saying that with QQ, it's +EV to 4bet/call 100BBs deep vs a villian that has a 3-bet range >= 3%. I'm not sure if you have hold'em manager, but there's a whole article included in the program about all the math behind it.

[dranger7070]

We're 50bb deep, we should be willing to 4bet jam this vs most villains.

[WildBobAA]

We're 50bb deep, we should be willing to 4bet jam this vs most villains.

Yeah I'm saying that if it's correct to 4bet/call with QQ 100BBs deep vs a 3% range, then it's a insta snap shove 50BBs deep vs almost anyone.