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    Default 50NL: AQo Trips Facing Raise on Turn

    I struggle with optimal turn/river play here, any help would be appreciated

    35/35/7.0 Villain over 17 hands 83% ATS (5/6 attempts). BB was very fishy, not that relevant for this hand (other than PF).

    Despite small sample size, I had already mentally noted significant aggression both pre and post-flop from this villain thinking I might need to call down a little bit lighter than normal.

    Pre-Flop: Given aggressive villain (35% PFR) and no reads on 3-bet %'s, chose to flat to keep dominated hands in play. Also, keeping a very fishy BB in the pot was a factor as well in favor of a flat call.

    Flop: We flop trips & it's so nice to be in position, 2 checks = 60% PSB, BB folds but PFR calls

    Turn: Flush completes so we are feeling much less confident about our hand now, think villain's range consists of made flushes, couple Full Houses, alot of weaker ace combinations and some air. Bet 2/3 PSB and get raised...... We are crushed by Full Houses (A9, AJ, AA, JJ) and AK. ~22% Equity vs. K-High flushes, much more vs. baby flushes since we have Qs and we crush lower Aces.

    Options on the Turn Now:
    Fold: Perhaps, but we have a fair bit of equity here especially given aggressive villain, 2nd nut flush draw and potentially lower aces in range (leak?)
    Call: It's a $12 call for a potential future pot of >$100. This option keeps lower aces in the pot but we face a tough river decision ahead for this option if we miss and villain shoves
    Shove: Simplest option, Aggressive play vs. aggressive villain but not sure if lower aces would call this so concerned that we potentially fold out all worse and not much better continues.

    Any thoughts? If we do call, are we calling or folding to a river shove?

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
    MP ($123.75)
    CO ($42.95)
    Hero (Button) ($56.60)
    SB ($32.95)
    BB ($50)
    UTG ($42.25)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with A, Q
    1 fold, MP bets $1.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.50, SB calls $1.25, 1 fold

    Flop: ($5) A, A, 9 (3 players)
    SB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $3, 1 fold, MP calls $3

    Turn: ($11) J (2 players)
    MP checks, Hero bets $7, MP raises to $19, Hero ????
    Last edited by Cougar; 10-14-2010 at 04:26 PM.
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  2. #2
    Given how aggressive he is, in practice I'm probably always peeling this turn raise.
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    Hard to see what we beat really. He's rarely if ever bluffing (c/c 8s8x and turn it into a bluff to fold out trips+? takes a special kind of crazy ) and all the worse value hands would've bet the flop themselves (and if not then they'd prolly flat or fold now)? Prolly looking at a boat a ton.
    Last edited by Halv; 10-14-2010 at 05:16 PM.
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    My bad, just noticed that he was PFR.

    Still feel as though a guy as aggro as this is cbetting AK/A9/99 often and flush draws for sure.

    Hand that makes the most sense is JJ I suppose.




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    IMO aggro players at this level push people around with draws and air but when they flop AAA+ they try to tarp
    Playing big pots at small stakes.
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    90% of his range is exactly JJ, fold.
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    and fwiw OP I think he rarely has flushes here due to the incredibly large % of the time he jus c bets flop with FDs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baudib View Post
    IMO aggro players at this level push people around with draws and air but when they flop AAA+ they try to tarp
    yeah what retards eh

    they turn their hand face up as like 4 combos of nuts/second nuts (sometimes just 1 combo in the case of quads) and proceed to play their hand in such a way where they would never value bet worse nor bluff with that same line ever because they simply lack the creativity to do so as well as the brain to consider balance.

    yet it doesn't even matter because everyone just calls down cuz 'lol u rep thin and you play loose' and thats why retards make money at ssnl.

    OP your flush outs are essentially useless - fold.
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    I agree with this hand being JJ more than anything. It's hard for me to fathom villain with much else. I just wanted to comment on this:
    Quote Originally Posted by Cougar View Post
    Turn: Flush completes so we are feeling much less confident about our hand now, think villain's range consists of made flushes, couple Full Houses, alot of weaker ace combinations and some air. Bet 2/3 PSB and get raised...... We are crushed by Full Houses (A9, AJ, AA, JJ) and AK. ~22% Equity vs. K-High flushes, much more vs. baby flushes since we have Qs and we crush lower Aces.
    How often is villain really c/c A9, AJ, and AK (Also AA is impossible but I'm sure that was just a mind fuck)? The same applies to flush draws. He probably has a lot more slowplayed Ax than flush draws...a flush isn't what I'd be worried about.

    I would assume that the other 10% of hands are slowplayed Ax, Carroters?

    Anywho, this hand screams of JJ and slowplayed AK, AJ, and A9. Folding sounds like the smartest thing to do. There isn't much in his bluffing range..and just because he's aggro doesn't mean he's dumb enough to stack off with Ax (small x). This is probably a mistake I make too often.
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    Yeah Boog imo other 10% are worse slowplayed Ax that hes being utterly retarded with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carroters View Post
    Yeah Boog imo other 10% are worse slowplayed Ax that hes being utterly retarded with.
    And what about AK and A9? Don't you feel he may be playing these retardedly as well?
    That's how winners play; we convince the other guy he's making all the right moves.
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    Yeah for sure, my JJ 90% was me basically saying in a semi drunken frenzy that he has a better hand 90% of the time and a shit ton of that is JJ. AK and A9 fit into that 90% and defo show up here jus less often then JJ due to the frequency he bets the flop with the former vs the latter, nam sayin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BooG690 View Post
    ..and just because he's aggro doesn't mean he's dumb enough to stack off with Ax (small x)

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