Maximising your opponents EV

[oskar]

Being the self absored bastard that you are, you may have never asked yourself that question: How can I make my opponent the most money?

Whenever you're facing a decision... whether it's if you should open 7Jo in the CO or cb a certain texture or when you face a mindonk. Don't just think: how do I get the most value. Think: how can I loose the most money with this hand. And then you do not do that.

This is pretty much just a variation on this: YouTube - The Most Inspiring thing ever said...


Find some hands where you made your opponents leaks correct by your dumb play, and explain. I'll find some of my own and post them after my session.

[couriermike]

Barreling overs into fish who are never folding a pair. You're welcome, fish!

[daviddem]

This one should earn me a few trouts across the face in irc...

I don't need my opponents to have leaks to maximize their EV: I can do that all by myself.

On the turn I remember thinking that it would be OK to slowplay this a bit because I am way ahead. I was kinda hoping that the CO would silly bet again, which would sweeten the pot and I didn't want to push him out.

'nyway he didn't bet and I completely zapped on the river. It only took me like half a second after I raised to go "OH, NO F*CK". The only semi-surprise is that it's the CO who showed a K (and an A, just to hammer the point) and not UTG.

I think UTG had the same brain fart and also didn't see the baby straight on the board.

Lesson learned: always take 5 seconds to re-read the board and think about opp's cards before squeezing the trigger...

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop | saw showdown

CO ($5)
Button ($10.48)
SB ($5.10)
BB ($5.90)
UTG ($5)
UTG+1 ($5.83)
MP1 ($9.91)
Hero (MP2) ($5)
MP3 ($8.63)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 8, 8
UTG bets $0.20, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.20, 1 fold, CO raises to $0.40, 3 folds, UTG calls $0.20, Hero calls $0.20

Flop: ($1.27) 10, 9, 7 (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, CO bets $0.35, UTG calls $0.35, Hero calls $0.35

Turn: ($2.32) J (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($2.32) Q (3 players)
UTG bets $1.66, Hero raises to $4.05, CO raises to $4.25 (All-In), UTG calls $2.59 (All-In), Hero calls $0.20 (All-In)

Total pot: $15.07 | Rake: $1

Results:
UTG had Q, Q (three of a kind, Queens).
Hero had 8, 8 (straight, Queen high).
CO had K, A (straight, Ace high).
Outcome: CO won $14.07

[oskar]

$0.10/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
9 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
Hero ($25.35)
UTG+1 ($18.38)
MP1 ($30.70)
MP2 ($5)
MP3 ($36.80)
CO ($24.75)
BTN ($23.55)
SB ($15.84)
BB ($15.49)

Pre-Flop: ($0.35, 9 players) Hero is UTG
Hero raises to $0.85, UTG+1 folds, MP1 raises to $2.70, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, BTN folds, SB folds, BB folds, Hero calls $1.85

Flop: ($5.75, 2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $1, Hero calls $1

Turn: ($7.75, 2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $2, Hero calls $2

River: ($11.75, 2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $5, Hero goes all-in $19.65, MP1 calls $14.65

Final Pot: $51.05
Hero shows

MP1 shows


MP1 wins $48.50 (net +$23.15)

Hero lost $25.35


Here's mine. I don't remember much about the opponent, but I did call pre primarily to set mine. I would not continue to aggression if I flopped an overpair. His flop sizing does not convince me that his range is much weaker, but I do get the implied odds to call. + He might just have AK and shut down... even tho unlikely. On the turn I no longer get the implied odds to call, but being the brilliant mind that I am I might be able to represent a heart or a club on the river on a board that already looks really scary for AA. - Obviously the biggest shortcoming of inexperienced players is that they can never get away from overpairs. He might not even get away from TT there. As it turns out he didn't even look at the board as he snapped me in a nanosecond.
I would like to blame this on the stake discrapency. This might be generally a much better play against a similar opponent at 100NL+ with an equally well defined range. This is of course utter BS. I should have known that I cannot get him off of overpairs. That's why setmining pre was an option in the first place.


Also: very nice one daviddem! Because you touched on it: Leak is kind of a misleading term for something that is exploitable. But in poker there isn't really an equilibrium strategy. Pretty much anything you do is potentially exploitable, but it only materializes itself as a leak as soon as it is exploited. Same with any stat or tendency that you would deem wrong, terrible or borderline retarded in an opponent, is not a mistake until you find the appropriate reaction and they do not adjust.

[Icanhastreebet]

dumb thread

[daven]

3 from my last two sessions

hand 1 - a summary of villain's main leaks
1: 3b too linear and not much thinking
2: calls far too much
3: likes to try and make soul-read calls cos he seeks 2p2 adulation
4: thinks i never have anything just cos it's often true
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($26.14)
Hero (UTG+1) ($27.51)
MP1 ($20.35)
MP2 ($52.18)
MP3 ($4.54)
CO ($20)
Button ($21.78)
SB ($10.92)
BB ($53.84)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 8, 9
1 fold, Hero bets $1.10, MP1 raises to $2.50, 6 folds, Hero calls $1.40

Flop: ($5.60) 10, 3, J (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $2, Hero calls $2

Turn: ($9.60) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $23.01 (All-In), MP1 calls $15.85 (All-In)

River: ($41.30) 8 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $41.30 | Rake: $2.06

Results below:
Hero had 8, 9 (two pair, eights and threes).
MP1 had Q, Q (two pair, Queens and threes).
Outcome: MP1 won $39.24

hand 2:
villain's main leak = he's a retardo station postflop and too aggro pre
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($20.06)
UTG ($28.30)
UTG+1 ($51.61)
MP1 ($35.51)
MP2 ($52.33)
Hero (MP3) ($25)
CO ($25)
Button ($26.10)
SB ($16.35)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 3, A
4 folds, Hero bets $1.10, 2 folds, SB raises to $2.36, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.26

Flop: ($5.22) 6, 7, 9 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3, SB calls $3

Turn: ($11.22) 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $11.22, SB calls $10.99 (All-In)

River: ($33.20) 10 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $33.20 | Rake: $1.66

Results below:
SB had A, 10 (two pair, tens and sixes).
Hero had 3, A (one pair, sixes).
Outcome: SB won $31.54

hand 3:
villain's leaks. Too loose pre, unimaginative, super-passive, level 0, scared.
Full Tilt Pot-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($21.75)
SB ($46.51)
BB ($25)
UTG ($25)
UTG+1 ($25.13)
MP1 ($18.30)
MP2 ($15.84)
Hero (CO) ($25)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K, K
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.25, MP2 calls $0.25, Hero bets $1.35, Button calls $1.35, 3 folds, MP2 calls $1.10

Flop: ($4.65) Q, 6, 7 (3 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets $2.70, Button raises to $5.40, 1 fold, Hero raises to $8.10, Button raises to $10.80, Hero calls $2.70

Turn: ($26.25) J (2 players)
Hero bets $12.85 (All-In), Button calls $9.60 (All-In)

River: ($45.45) 4 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $45.45 | Rake: $2.27

Results below:
Button had 7, 7 (three of a kind, sevens).
Hero had K, K (one pair, Kings).
Outcome: Button won $43.18

[daviddem]

^^that call-flop-donk-overbet-shove-turn move you do all the time, is that called "Pulling a Daven" in the theory books?

[daven]

^^that call-flop-donk-overbet-shove-turn move you do all the time, is that called "Pulling a Daven" in the theory books?

sexy huh, i'm probably the main advocate of this line. I do it with all sorts of shit, weak draws, strong draws, pure air, occasional nut hands, mid-strength made hands, etc. I prefer to call it 'pure'

[spoonitnow]

{Moved from BC}

[Razvan729]

jackass playing ( ME)

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

Button ($2.24)
SB ($1.98)
BB ($1.48)
UTG ($0.79)
UTG+1 ($2.06)
Hero (MP1) ($2)
MP2 ($2.08)
CO ($4)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with ,
2 folds, Hero bets $0.10, MP2 raises to $0.36, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.26

Flop: ($0.75) , , (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $0.62, Hero calls $0.62

Turn: ($1.99) (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $1.10 (All-In), Hero calls $1.02 (All-In)

River: ($4.03) (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $4.03 | Rake: $0.19

oppp shows AA

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop | saw showdown

SB ($2)
BB ($2.16)
UTG ($2)
Hero (UTG+1) ($2)
MP1 ($2.11)
MP2 ($3.41)
MP3 ($5.15)
CO ($0.80)
Button ($2.09)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with ,
1 fold, Hero bets $0.10, 1 fold, MP2 raises to $0.30, 2 folds, Button calls $0.30, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.93) , , (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $0.80, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.80

Turn: ($2.53) (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $2.31 (All-In), Hero calls $0.90 (All-In)

River: ($4.33) (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $4.33 | Rake: $0.21

Results:
Hero had K, A (one pair, sevens).
MP2 had A, A (two pair, Aces and sevens).
Outcome: MP2 won $4.12


every day i play 2-3 hands like this... dont ask me why , i think my brain just stops working those moment and i become a complet idiot

[kmind]

I like the post. Reminds me of Max's "The Complementary Nature of Poker" post.