KK, weak line vs Unknown?

[compudaze]

Only had 3 hands with the Villain. Here's how it played out...

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

CO ($5)
Button ($5)
SB ($4.78)
BB ($3.69)
UTG ($5)
UTG+1 ($4.42)
MP1 ($5)
Hero (MP2) ($5)
MP3 ($7.78)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K, K
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.05, 1 fold, Hero bets $0.25, 3 folds, SB raises to $0.75, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.50

I really think I should have 4-bet/shove here. But, I opted to play cautiously because he was unknown and I would have position.

Flop: ($1.60) 10, 2, 5 (2 players)
SB bets $0.76, Hero calls $0.76

OK, no aces. Good. Was putting him on JJ+ or AK so I flatted.

Turn: ($3.12) 4 (2 players)
SB bets $3.27 (All-In), Hero ???

It's a blank, but he shoves. I think I'm still ahead here. Against TT+,AcKd,AcKs I'm at 63% equity.

I think it would have been better to 4bet/shove preflop.

What do you guys think?

[daviddem]

It's of course OK to 4b pre. I'll sometimes just call here (with position) for deception purposes, either if I feel that i need deception to beat this particular opp, or if he 3b a lot and he'll fold most of his range to a 4b. Vs unknown I think I prefer straightforward and 4b.

As played, his flop bet size doesn't seem to indicate that he is worried at all about another club coming so I'd probably raise the flop because the Ac is very much in his range.

As played call turn.

[philly and the phanatics]

4bet/get it in .../end thread

as played please please raise the flop
also id call the turn...you have > 50% equity vs AcAx/QcQx/JcJx/TT so even if you give him every nutflush you're still going to have equity to call

[spoonitnow]

OK, no aces. Good. Was putting him on JJ+ or AK so I flatted.

I would be interested to understand the logic that took us from "I'm putting him on JJ+ or AK" to "I should call here".

[EasyPoker]

Shove pre tbh, then take a note.

[Carroters]

I'd usually just get this in preflop. You're doing really well vs a range like QQ+ AK. There's 8 combos of AK that you get very little money from post flop most of the time by flatting but have awesome equity vs getting it in pre. 8 combos out of the 21 that make up his preflop range (6 of QQ, 8 of AK, 1 of KK and 6 of AA) is a significant amount to want to play perfectly against when there's no penalty vs the rest of his range by playing this way.

On the flop you wanna be raising trying to get it in here. He's unlikely to spazz like AK (no club) at you on the turn and if he has QQ+ AK your equity on the flop looks like this.

Board: Tc 2c 5c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 59.455% 57.33% 02.12% 8514 315.00 { KcKh }
Hand 1: 40.545% 38.42% 02.12% 5706 315.00 { QQ+, AcKd, AcKs }

Then there's all the dead money you pick up by making him fold AK no club ( a hand that he wont bluff much with anyway) If he ever has JJ or AQ or some bs your equity and EV for getting it in are obv even better.

On the turn it's obv going to be a call. Stop being results oreintated because he had AA and you bricked the river.

Your equity on the turn is likely something like this.

Board: Tc 2c 5c 4s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 57.652% 55.00% 02.65% 363 17.50 { KcKh }
Hand 1: 42.348% 39.70% 02.65% 262 17.50 { QQ+, AcKd, AcKs }