5NL FR KK 3b pot facing small donk bet on flop

[daviddem]

MP3 is 19/7/3.7AF over 68 hands

I'd put him on 22-QQ,AKs,AKo for calling the 3b OOP.

Flop and he small donks. I never know in these spots if this is begging for a cheap card with an AK or a rather weird suck in bet with a set.

Call? Raise?

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saw flop

Hero (CO) ($5)
Button ($4.93)
SB ($5.85)
BB ($5)
UTG ($5.26)
UTG+1 ($3.31)
MP1 ($2.73)
MP2 ($2.99)
MP3 ($5)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K, K
3 folds, MP2 calls $0.05, MP3 bets $0.20, Hero raises to $0.65, 4 folds, MP3 calls $0.45

Flop: ($1.42) J, Q, 4 (2 players)
MP3 bets $0.50

Hero?

[al yell]

I'd purchase the read that eludes you by raising.

[couriermike]

I like raising the flop. You have a realistic chance of stacking him and you need to start building a pot now.

[Hoopy]

I'd probably raise to $1.25 and call a shove.

[daviddem]

I'd probably raise to $1.25 and call a shove.

I am interested to know why $1.25? This lays 19.1% pot odds, isn't it a little too little?

I realize that if he holds AK, he has only 7 outs vs the 10 he may think he has though.

Next question is, if he shoves over a raise, does he do that with AK often enough for calling?

[Hoopy]

I am interested to know why $1.25? This lays 19.1% pot odds, isn't it a little too little?

I realize that if he holds AK, he has only 7 outs vs the 10 he may think he has though.

Next question is, if he shoves over a raise, does he do that with AK often enough for calling?

I wrote that reply when tired so it's not a great answer. My idea behind $1.25 is it might seem to him that he has some fold equity with AK and shove a good %, but tbh this is guy is likely straightforward so we are crushed by his shoving range on the flop unless you think he donk/shoves AQ (assuming he has it pre flop).

Don's idea of calling seems good.

[Donachello]

Given villain's stats I'd probably call since we are IP. Another option is to raise and maybe fold to a jam? Sounds really really nitty but if you raise and he 3bets you're like never ahead...

[caddie444]

Another option is to raise and maybe fold to a jam?

this is incredibly bad

[Roid_Rage]

I think your range for him flatting the 3bet OOP is off.

I'd find it more likely for him to continue with something like 77-AA, AQs+, AKo. Possibly wider, but he appears to be a little weak/tight given PF stats. (Small sample, etc)

Given this, he's probably not donking 77-TT, AK. Probably more like AQs (3 combos) and JJ/QQ (6 combos). He could obviously be donking much wider, but mehhhh.

If we raise, we have to fold to a 3bet which has already been stated. If we flat, he will probably continue to barrel with AQ and with his sets. On the off chance he donked 77-TT/AK he'll most likely give up now and we can check back.

[Razvan729]

i will 4xreraise, at 5 nl they to that with AJ, AK, PP, straight draw, AQ will bet more then 1/2 pot. if he shoves i will call down.

[philly and the phanatics]

im raise/calling....all he needs is a couple combos of AQ to go with his JJ/QQ/AA thats not including any spazz or KQ that he could also have.

obv if his range is AK/QQ+ then id flat the flop and try and see a showdown for cheap. But given his stats i wouldnt think that is the case.

[Donachello]

im raise/calling....all he needs is a couple combos of AQ to go with his JJ/QQ/AA thats not including any spazz or KQ that he could also have.

obv if his range is AK/QQ+ then id flat the flop and try and see a showdown for cheap. But given his stats i wouldnt think that is the case.

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?

Talk about being overly optimistic o_O. Also, apparently "a couple of combos" = almost every AQ combo left? Raise calling here is absolutely terrible vs this type of player.

[philly and the phanatics]

if we raise to 2 dollars and he is calling our raise with AQ/KQs/JJ+ then we have enough equity to raise for value on the flop
if he then shoves JJ+, we only need him to shove 3 combos of AQ to be able to raise/call profitably


i agree this is optimistic and he may not even have AQ at all.