How bad did I play this hand

[tryn2improve]

Hi...new here and just wondering from start to end how I could of played this hand better...but also why.Opp is calling most (Say 75%) of all preflop raises and c-bets.Really only thing that sticks out about this opp up until this point. Also if someone could explain how I can convert hand and leave part of hand out like I did below please let me know so I can make it easier to read for you all. As well as how to take it and post it in specific forums such as this one. Thank You



PokerStars Game #53646572537: Tournament #337755722, $2.00+$0.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level III (25/50) - 2010/12/02 23:48:58 ET
Table '337755722 1' 2-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: atp74 (2016 in chips)
Seat 2: hero (984 in chips)
hero: posts small blind 25
atp74: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hero [8s 5h]
hero: raises 50 to 100
atp74: calls 50
*** FLOP *** [8c As 4h]
atp74: checks
hero: checks
*** TURN *** [8c As 4h] [6h]
atp74: bets 50
hero: raises 50 to 100
atp74: raises 50 to 150
hero: raises 50 to 200
atp74: raises 50 to 250
hero: calls 50

[Razvan729]

to convert a hand you need 10 post and after that you convert it in "poker tools" tab.

as for this hand, its a fold pre flop or the way you played it , bet 1/2pot on flop, fold on reraise or check fold turn.

[tryn2improve]

Why is it a fold preflop?(pls comment) Also, the reason I checked on the flop is because I didnt feel there was any value in betting it. I just dont see him calling with worse. And even though im potentionally* giving him a 6 outer to hit on turn. Whats that? a 13% chance... I felt i had a way higher chance of inducing a bluff on the turn from him.(pls comment) As far as min raising the turn. I understand now that wasa mistake and goes against what I was tryin to do. I feel I should have cold called and then re-evaluated river if he bet again on wether he was bluffing or value betting better...(pls comment)

[couriermike]

Twenty blind stacks are really awkward. You're not in push/fold mode yet, but you don't have enough chips to make speculative plays either. So it's reasonable to muck low equity hands like 8-high preflop.

Villain did call a raise preflop, tho a min-raise. So he could have an A but alot of times he doesn't of course. So it's kinduva tricky spot postflop. That it's a bad spot postflop, even when you hit, further shows that folding pre would have been best.

As played, you could b/f the flop or b/shove, depending on your read of villain. Probably I would call down small bets and fold to a big bet. Checking the flop is fine.

OT, when I started playing poker, I had this tournament hand where me and the other guy min-raised each other about 15 times or so until we were all-in. Then everybody at the table berated us for several orbits. It was pretty funny. If you're gonna keep min-raising someone, have the nuts, otherwise it serves no purpose.

[Razvan729]

preflop: fold, the gap 2 points and they are not even suited plus you a medium card plus a small card, to make a hand you need at least 2 pair on an unconnected board to play it.

flop: A high flop, bet there 3/4 pot , if he has the A at least will call or reraise. you fold on reraise, if calls then you c/f turn.

turn: give a made straight and a flush draw... to you just a gutshot straight draw with 3 outs ( 7h will scare you or give him flush)
as you played up to here there 2 options: fold on his bet or shove cause he will fold most of his range ( though at that limits he may call with any Ax)

minraise sucks, like mike said, do that just with nuts trying to mek him get himself all in, otherwise you accomplish nothing minraise, minbet.

you either bet strong, or dont bet at all.... anyway he got that hand, didnt he?

[tryn2improve]

"to make a hand you need at least 2 pair on an unconnected board to play it." Why is this? If I fold hands like these do you realise im going to be folding a ton of hands and just giving him free money? I mean are the only hands im going to play are only face paint then? No 58, no K4, just big hands like QK? Also I got lucky and ended up hitting a 7 on river for str8 and got it all in against his mucked ace for one pair.please ignore this though so your not results oriented on my previous questions i just asked.

[Razvan729]

what you played there is bingo.... your outs dont give a reason for that betting/calling line.... you chased and hit lucky,,,, there is no poker logic in that hand in my opinion. i would have folded pre.

dont play just big cards, but at least play suited max 1 gap connectors or unsuited consecutive connectors and that for the right price.

[pocketfours]

Raising the turn isn't too bad. When he clicks it back just call and call any blank river.

[Razvan729]

with a mineraise? if he wanna represent a straight shouldnt he make a bigger raise then that? i mean, if you wanna bluff your way shouldnt you do that with a betting line that would put pressure on opp?

[pocketfours]

It's not a bluff.

[Razvan729]

to me 8 pair with gutshot draw its a bluff... opp makes it clear he has the A , if not 2 pairs or even a made straight, so our outs are 3*8+4*7=7 outs that makes aprox 14% to win or to chop.... and we are reraising couple of times, being behind with so little outs i think its a bluff here.

wouldnt have been better just to call? its a small price to see river, if we hit we're happy, if we dont we lose 50, like this if he doenst hit he loses 200, isnt that a too ig price for 14%? even implied odds dont make a reason for paying 200 to see the river

[dodgybear]

I totally agree with either bet folding the turn or bet calling and call river if you think your 8 pair is good. Let try to analyse your play: Inititally, you min raise preflop, most of the time only AA or KK will do that so that opp will call light or induce a 3bet. A lot of the time people are just raising with junk hands hoping to hit the flop hard.

When the flop came 8A4 rainbow, with such a dry board, those who raise preflop with like AK, AQ or any A + random will definitely bet the flop. I personally feel that only AA will check behind and moreover you are in position to him, so only AA will check behind to induce a bluff on the turn.

On top of that you know that he calls preflop and c-bets so light, and he knows that you know that too, if you have a strong hand you would probably raise bigger and cbet big on the flop to get more value out of him. I think he probably feel that you are weak when u did a min raise preflop and check the flop and min raise a acouple of times when a 6h comes on the turn. And I think for his action, he is representing so strong by remin you back. Anyone with a big hand will probably ship the whole stack in on the turn. On a 8A46 board with 2 hearts, the nuts at the point of time can only be 57 but there is a back door flush draw too. With a big hand will you do the min raise here and there? even if you have like a set of A will you do the min back twice? I mean I will not do that.

I personally feel that on the turn that guy must have 57 or 5h7h or A with a runner flush draw or hit a set of 6s there to be able to bet and min raise your min raise so many times.

Therefore i think regardless what comes on the river he is shipping his whole stack in. if you do not intend to call his river ship then you should not call the last min raise.

[tryn2improve]

thanks to everyone for all the replies. I think some of you all here though are thinking that I am tryin to turn my hand into a bluff... when what im really tryin to do is get value from opp that has a smaller pair or a draw. Isnt that better then betting flop and turning my hand into a bluff? I mean does anything worse really call me on the flop if I bet? With those two questions asked, as played up until opp leads turn. what do you all feel is better between cold calling his initial turn bet or raising bigger, to say like 200ish. If I cold call, what do I do if opp leads out again on x river card. But if I raise bigger, isnt there a good chance I could be shoved on by a draw? And wouldnt I have to fold?

[PokerWang]

I would say my suggestion to you would be to choose your hands wisely and tighten up. I never play 85o. That hand just loses a lot more than it wins. Even if you just want to see the flop, don't do it. It' snot worth paying for a hand you'd have to fold anyway.

[connorislost]

Fold Pre. Cold call turn as played. You dont want to bet flop because nothing worse will call you but you will raise turn to get value from a smaller pair? If you had raised bigger and he shoved yes you would have to fold. Lay down your medium pair gut shot so much of his range beats you. Ax TT 99 88 66 44 K8 Q8 J8 T8 98 86 57 These are all possibilities with how you described him playing. Dont assume hes playing a draw you went to showdown and were shown otherwise.