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    Default 50nl 6m JJ vs fish+nit

    UTG is 67/23 over ~80 with 3% 3bet, 57% FT3b, and 45% FTCB
    BU is 21/15 over ~120. 30% (3/10) 4bet, 73% FT3b, 25% (4) FT3b. has raised 0/6 flops in this sample.

    only note is on the UTG fish and reads:
    "open-limp/call A7o,small donk 447 OOP 3way"

    hero's general plan and line? i can just pot flop/pot turn with this SPR and get it in vs the fish who will have 8x/Tx/FD's/pair+draw hands enough to make that +EV. betting big also probably makes the reg play more straightforward, which isnt a bad thing?

    or i can go smaller and aim for 3. or smaller and only 2?

    or employ some other plan that didn't even cross my mind. thoughts?

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
    UTG ($77.30)
    MP ($64.70)
    Hero (CO) ($58.15)
    Button ($59.50)
    SB ($24.10)
    BB ($115.05)
    Preflop: Hero is CO with J, J
    UTG bets $1.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $4.75, Button calls $4.75, 2 folds, UTG calls $3.25
    Flop: ($15) 10, 8, 6 (3 players)
    UTG checks, Hero? (~$53 effectives)
    Last edited by rpm; 10-11-2011 at 12:39 AM.
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    Probably betting around $10 and pretty much done with the hand if BU calls.


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    $10 sounds good, I wouldn't want to play a huge pot here without KK+/AKss.

    BTN probably flats QQ+ pre in this spot.
    Playing big pots at small stakes.
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    why don't we bet more like 13 and shove most turns when megafish calls, shut down if BU calls? I can't imagine wanting to play 3 streets on this board and there's a lot that megafish can pay us off with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by d0zer View Post
    why don't we bet more like 13 and shove most turns when megafish calls, shut down if BU calls? I can't imagine wanting to play 3 streets on this board and there's a lot that megafish can pay us off with.
    this was my plan and what i did in the hand. i felt like betting 10 created an awkward SPR on the turn from which to extract value vs the fish. plus there is a FD and the loose/passive fish is far more likely to have flatted any two suited, meaning it's better to get most of the money in on the flop and turn, instead of flop and river or turn and river, if we decide to go for two streets. betting 13 also makes the reg play more straightforward so we can comfortably shut down on a lot of turns the times he calls and fish folds.
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    thoughts on above logic? ^
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    What's our plan for the turn when both call?


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    probably check/deciding most cards.
    on any A,Q,T,9,7 or spade i would probably tread pretty cautiously. i don't expect the reg to try to bluff me + the fish OTT on such a wet board when i bet such an unbalanced value-size on the flop. so probably C/Fing turn a decent amount of the time.
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    idk I'm not convinced that it's the right way to go. Since we have position on the fish we can live with not getting all the money in on the turn.


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    i think like 12 on flop and see what BTN does, his overcall range is probably pretty tight and i dont think hes ever floating on this board. if BTN folds and turn bricks i think i bet almost full pot vs. fish, if BTN calls and fish calls i dont think i will even bet ANY turn as we might be getting money from fish just to give it to BTN when he shows up with QQ+. and if he has something like AKss then he knows the fish is probably calling again if we bet so he can float another street and maybe stack off a A,K,Q spade river.

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