[5NL] AKs...3bet pot...multi way

[Cobra_1878]

SB - 26/21/12 over 198 hands. 69% cbet, 67% cbet in 3bet pots 4/6.

Hadn't seen anything out of line from villain to this point other than he liked to 3bet.

BU - 55/34/6 over 92 hands. Fold to 3bet 31%, 4/13. Fold to cbet 64%, 7/11.

Had seen BU do some real fishy things, cold calling a 3bet with 75s, OOP, and c/r AI with FD. He also called a 3bet, OOP, K5s.

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: $7.38
Hero (CO): $5.00
BTN: $8.53
SB: $8.47
BB: $13.22
UTG: $5.00

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has A K

fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.15, BTN calls $0.15, SB raises to $0.60, fold, Hero calls $0.45, BTN calls $0.45

Flop: ($1.85, 3 players) 6 Q A
SB bets $1.30, Hero calls $1.30, BTN calls $1.30

Turn: ($5.75, 3 players) 9
SB checks, Hero bets $3.10 and is all-in, fold, fold

Thoughts?

[Savy]

4bet pre.

Bet like $4 on the turn I think is probably best.

edit - Appears I can't count, shove turn. Button calls with worse and some draws I imagine, SB probably folds out a lot of his range in this spot. Probably has a hand like KK or JJ. If he check/calls a shove here just make a note of what he has.

[TNreg]

Question. We're going to be sandwiched between these two postflop if we just call, so assume a 4bet fits the bill here. But we want to keep the 55/34 spazz monkey in right? As played, I just shove the turn. Any bet we make we're committed anyhow. The SB would've continued betting with his nutted range (QQ/AQ/66) and I expect him to check/fold. The maniac will call with worse Ax, FDs and SDs and who knows, maybe a Q if he's truly an idiot.

[surviva316]

I mean, meta probably doesn't matter that much because you'll very rarely play 1k+ hands against any one player, but you should be 4b'ing an insane amount here, and thus this should very very easily fall into your 4b/call range. That said, flatting is almost certainly better here in a vacuum, and it's not often we'll have such a splendid opportunity to flat with the fish left to act and our hand being sooooooooted, so it's not even that bad for your whole range.

The flop is the more interesting street. By the time you get to the turn, you should have already decided if you're good against the reg. If you are, then good call on the flop and now shove for value against the fish and cross your fingers against the reg. If you decided that you aren't, then obviously calling the flop in the first place doesn't make sense.

[jackvance]

4bet pre.

No

[Carroters]

Ohh yeah defo call pre, don't give a shit about where our hand fits into our 4-bet range I'd just 4-bet bluff lots and flat everything else I wasn't folding. Shove the turn, nothing else to be done.

[Cobra_1878]

Sorry lads, this hand is a little misleading.

I wasn't asking for what to do on turn, I was more getting a line check on the full hand itself. Will update OP.

[griffey24]

SB can be sq light to iso the fish, so I don't hate 4b here. It's very different flatting AA/KK here to keep fish in, than flatting AK and playing it 3-way.

[Carroters]

I think loads of EV comes from dominating one or both of them when we smack a pair on the flop. 4-bet/calling is defo okay and +EV, but I think I'd much rather flat AKs. Most of the regs depolarised worse hands he uses to iso the fish are likely folding to our 4-bet leaving us with not such great equity when we 4bc, but yeah dead monies is always nice.

[surviva316]

The flop is the more interesting street. By the time you get to the turn, you should have already decided if you're good against the reg. If you are, then good call on the flop and now shove for value against the fish and cross your fingers against the reg. If you decided that you aren't, then obviously calling the flop in the first place doesn't make sense.

Hey, surviva, you're stupid. More than anything else, our reason for calling preflop answers what we should do on the flop, which in turn answers what we should do on the turn.

Think about it so that I don't have to spoonfeed.

[Carroters]

I'd prolly just shove the turn without thinking about it then when I reviewed the hand I'd think there was no need to think about it.

[Savy]

No

I think you'll find you're massively underestimating the shit BTN will stack off with.

[rpm]

i'd call this pre all day so that the BU fish can come to a flop with us with a lot of dominated aces. plus AKs plays great on a whole heap of flops, and the more the merrier (especially weaker players) as the majority of draws we flop will be to the nuts. AKo i would consider 4betting. the rest of the hand i think is fine/standard

edit: reading others responses makes me feel i should clarify: i am near-100% certain that 4betting this hand would be profitable here. i just prefer flatting for the value of keeping the fish in the pot with us to try and win a bigger pot from his (likely) postflop leaks (esp in 3b pots)