Line check - any of these bad?

[BorisTheSpider]

Still running like shit, these are all from the first 300 hands today. Are any of them terrible?

Hand 1:

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BTN: $18.87 (188.7 bb)
SB: $52.01 (520.1 bb)
BB: $17.39 (173.9 bb)
Hero (UTG): $10.26 (102.6 bb)
MP: $19.91 (199.1 bb)
CO: $11.10 (111 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 5 5
Hero raises to $0.30, 4 folds, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.65) Q 6 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.50, BB raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $3.60, BB raises to $17.09 and is all-in, Hero calls $6.36


Hand 2:

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BTN: $9.22 (92.2 bb)
SB: $9.59 (95.9 bb)
BB: $11.95 (119.5 bb)
UTG: $21.80 (218 bb)
MP: $4.81 (48.1 bb)
Hero (CO): $15.33 (153.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J J
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.20, BTN calls $0.20, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.55) T Q J (2 players)
Hero bets $0.40, BTN raises to $1, Hero raises to $2.40, BTN raises to $9.02, Hero calls $6.62


Hand 3:

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BTN: $11.05 (110.5 bb)
Hero (SB): $11.89 (118.9 bb)
BB: $11.34 (113.4 bb)
UTG: $16.41 (164.1 bb)
MP: $22.33 (223.3 bb)
CO: $28.06 (280.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A A
3 folds, BTN raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $1.10, BB folds, BTN calls $0.80

Flop: ($2.30) Q T 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.30, BTN raises to $3.10, Hero calls $1.80

Turn: ($8.50) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $6.85 and is all-in, Hero folds

[OngBonga]

I often open 55 utg 6-max but I always find myself asking why I don't just openfold. Obviously this flop is awesome way more often than not, so yeah stacking this all day long.

Same with JJ. I don't expect AK or QQ to flat a minrase, so he beats us with 89s and K9s (8 combos), vs his TT (6 combos). Seeing as we improve to a boat around 1/3 of the time, we're in great shape to stack off here. Some villain stats would be nice to know if he can have K9o or even 89o, but I'll assume not, and even if he does I'm not folding because a donk who calls 89o is also drooling with top pair.

The AA hand is very much villain dependant. Any hint that villain raises top pair on flop, I'm not folding this for shit. Lacking reads, I'm calling.

[griffey24]

Hand 1) I'm going to pretend you didn't post this

Hand 2) A little closer than hand 1, I expect to see 89 sometimes and some seldom AK, but I'm still going to pretend you didn't post this

Hand 3) Yay it's not a set for once. Jam flop.

[Savy]

Why can't we flat the raise in h1?

What are you expecting him to have otf that doesn't beat you when he shoves?

[Savy]

h2 raise is too small, hhappy GII. Only really worried about K9, rarely flats AK. Plenty of stuff we get value from.

[BorisTheSpider]

What are you expecting him to have otf that doesn't beat you when he shoves?

Flushdraws and sometimes AA/KK that slowplayed preflop.

I hate flatting the raise on a 2-tone board, we're just letting his flushdraws take control of the hand and it's a sucky spot if a club turns, it also sucks when a club doesn't turn and he barrels - in the second case, we might as well have got it in on the flop, kept the initiative and not put ourselves in a tough spot, and when a club does turn it's just as bad - often the turn then goes x/x and when he bets the river we don't know if we're bluffcatching or getting value towned.

[BorisTheSpider]

Hand 3) Yay it's not a set for once. Jam flop.

Hand 3 vs. http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es-196407.html - are you jamming here (vs. calling to re-eval turn in the other hand) because of how deep we are in the KK hand?

[The Bean Counter]

1 and 2 look fine to me, would be jamming flop in 3 versus a likely bad player. You're making G-Bucks in all those spots, so you played them fine.

Sounds like you may need to spend some time off with Jared before you start to ditch buy-ins through bad play.

[BorisTheSpider]

Yeah thanks BC. I don't really think there's a ton of tilt there, I'm definitely crushed by the runbad, but I don't feel like it's affecting my play much. I'll take your advice anyway and read a bit of Jared.

[griffey24]

Hand 3 vs. http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es-196407.html - are you jamming here (vs. calling to re-eval turn in the other hand) because of how deep we are in the KK hand?

How deep we are, and just the combos of hands that play this way that we beat, vs that we lose to.

AA hand on QTx I'd expect QQ to 4b pre, so we lost mostly to TTT and bottom set, but he can raise Qx for value here.

In the KK hand, facing such a big check raise, he has all sets and a straight is possible and he's not likely c/r Tx for value.

[rpm]

1 and 2 are definitely fine to me eyes. i'd possibly look to just get it in OTF in number 3 if you feel villain is raise/felting much of AQ or KQ, which seems reasonable. he only has like maximum 8 combos of better hands on this flop assuming he's not calling your 3b with many more hands (currently beating us) than TT,66,QTs. so he only needs to have a few combos of AQ(6),KQ(8),J9s(4),or KJs(4) in his felting range for me to be jammin'

[Savy]

Flushdraws and sometimes AA/KK that slowplayed preflop.

I hate flatting the raise on a 2-tone board, we're just letting his flushdraws take control of the hand and it's a sucky spot if a club turns, it also sucks when a club doesn't turn and he barrels - in the second case, we might as well have got it in on the flop, kept the initiative and not put ourselves in a tough spot, and when a club does turn it's just as bad - often the turn then goes x/x and when he bets the river we don't know if we're bluffcatching or getting value towned.

What you're actually doing is just losing out on money because you don't want to play post flop. What you did was probably +EV but I very much doubt it was the most +EV thing. Not even close.

[griffey24]

Flushdraws and sometimes AA/KK that slowplayed preflop.

I hate flatting the raise on a 2-tone board, we're just letting his flushdraws take control of the hand and it's a sucky spot if a club turns, it also sucks when a club doesn't turn and he barrels - in the second case, we might as well have got it in on the flop, kept the initiative and not put ourselves in a tough spot, and when a club does turn it's just as bad - often the turn then goes x/x and when he bets the river we don't know if we're bluffcatching or getting value towned.

I'm confused, how is it a bad spot when a club doesn't turn? If you're behind when a club doesn't turn, you were probably already behind when you re-raised the flop so it's the same difference. Calling at least keeps his air in the hand.

Similar can be said for a club turning. IF some ppl show up with bluffs here, they will keep bluffing on a club turn. Yes sometimes you'll get the flush "get there", but the flush would have jammed on the flop anyhow (assuming most legit FD's here are Axcc, since you block 5xcc). So really b/3b on the flop is just to pad your EV $ in HEM so that you 'got it in good', instead of calling flop and calling down on clubs and being beat sometimes.

[Savy]

Also you're kind of overestimating how aggressively most people play flush draws at this level. When villain GII in H1 I bet he very rarely has a FD and it makes sense too because when someone 3bets the flop they are very rarely folding to a shove. Ranges just aren't played anywhere near the same as they are higher up and as people are almost never bluffing in this spot and almost never have a FD ( I mean AKs might play like this but it probably 3bets pre) that's just narrowing the range you get value.

[BorisTheSpider]

Yeah thank guys, the discussion about the 55 hand is interesting and obviously shows up some deficiencies in my thinking process, so I'll have to think it through thoroughly.