25nl Zoom AA postflop play

[renegaderob1]

Not enough hands to have anything solid on villain. I put his range on 66+, AKs, AQs preflop. On the flop I thought AQ, JJ+. Thoughts?

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4


BTN: 70.92 BB (VPIP: 13.27, PFR: 6.12, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 102)
SB: 149.8 BB (VPIP: 15.66, PFR: 11.85, 3Bet Preflop: 3.74, Hands: 3,198)
Hero (BB): 199.52 BB
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 13.20, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 4.74, Hands: 1,610)
UTG+1: 225.64 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 7.14, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 29)
MP: 295.92 BB (VPIP: 13.11, PFR: 8.20, 3Bet Preflop: 5.36, Hands: 125)
MP+1: 100 BB (VPIP: 9.74, PFR: 7.10, 3Bet Preflop: 0.52, Hands: 506)
MP+2: 264.2 BB (VPIP: 20.47, PFR: 2.36, 3Bet Preflop: 1.79, Hands: 129)
CO: 43.64 BB (VPIP: 14.00, PFR: 8.93, 3Bet Preflop: 4.05, Hands: 1,186)


SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB


Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A A


fold, UTG+1 raises to 2 BB, MP calls 2 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 8.4 BB, UTG+1 calls 6.4 BB, MP calls 6.4 BB


Flop: (25.6 BB, 3 players) Q J 3
Hero bets 22 BB, UTG+1 raises to 47 BB, fold, Hero calls 25 BB


Turn: (119.6 BB, 2 players) 5
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets 66 BB, Hero raises to 144.12 BB and is all-in, UTG+1 calls 78.12 BB

[daven]

villain is 14-7, has opened utg, has called a 3b in position and now wants to put all the chips in vs your very strong line.... villain has JJ/QQ/KK/AA close to 100% of the time here, and QQ most likely..

cbet flop smaller, 10-16bb is good
i hate the turn check-shove.

re the assigned range, i doubt villain opens AQo utg, if he does then i doubt he calls a 3b, or raises a flop cbet, or bets a blank turn big when checked to.

[MadMojoMonkey]

villain is 14-7, has opened utg, has called a 3b in position and now wants to put all the chips in vs your very strong line.... villain has JJ/QQ/KK/AA close to 100% of the time here, and QQ most likely..

cbet flop smaller, 10-16bb is good
i hate the turn check-shove.

re the assigned range, i doubt villain opens AQo utg, if he does then i doubt he calls a 3b, or raises a flop cbet, or bets a blank turn big when checked to.

I agree if the 14-7 is after a decent sample,
but 14-7 after 29 hands is waaaay too small a sample to read that much into.

The min-raise open from UTG is weak. Maybe a micro-donk adjustment to induce a raise?
The raise OTF is barely more than a min-raise, too.
My gut says Villain wants you to call both pre and OTF.

I'd be trying to figure out what he bets OTT. I'd be taking a free card IP if I had AK, KT, T9. Hero holds the A, so Villain can't be semi-bluffing w/ NFD.
KTcc and T9cc could find a bet here.
This further supports the notion that Villain likes his hand.

It's really looking like JJ+ or spew at this point. AXcc is out. Straight draws prob take a card. The small sample is noted, but it's not likely he's playing AJ UTG with those stats. Even playing AQ from UTG in full ring is trouble, and a full ring nit will know that. Even still, I doubt a nit is calling that shove with TPTK OTT after your aggression. You're only hope with that shove is that Villain holds exactly KK.

I think the jam is not in my playbook OTT. I c/c OTT and I can find a fold OTR to a lot of bet sizes.

[renegaderob1]

Thanks guys, very useful comments to ponder. I have to make a really big effort to not play in autopilot mode (which tends to happen when I'm getting tired or bored) as I'm still in the mindset that people raise crap like QKs and make plays like this which used to happen all the time. I'm learning to adjust to the new landscape and finding ways to find an edge.

I've been seeing a few PP min raises preflop from EP.
During the hand I hand't thought much about the min raise OTF in relation to why he min-raises twice. On reflection, to me it screams QQ/KK/AA from this type of player correct?

[acg123]

what turn cards are you folding to a bet? or did you plan the x/shove after you called flop?

[renegaderob1]

what turn cards are you folding to a bet? or did you plan the x/shove after you called flop?

I'd planned a check raise to any blank, which given his bet size left me with only a min raise and ~20bb left or a shove.

If I'm being honest, I wasn't thinking much would induce a fold for me at the time and was either c/raise or c/calling the turn.
That's one of the reasons I chose this hand to review to try to change my way of thinking/playing this sort of flop in the future.

I've had a good look through my PT stats and whilst everything is in the green zone in leak tracker, my biggest leaks have to be all-in decisions on the turn/river and general turn street play. They're the two areas I'm trying to correct the quickest, as well as learning to play against ranges

[MadMojoMonkey]

I've been seeing a few PP min raises preflop from EP.
During the hand I hand't thought much about the min raise OTF in relation to why he min-raises twice. On reflection, to me it screams QQ/KK/AA from this type of player correct?

Not necessarily.

The primary factors that narrow Villain's range are 1) Villain is UTG in a full ring game and 2) he's only played 4 hands in 3 orbits.

1) makes hands like AJ, KJ, QJ, KT and T9s less likely even for a relatively loose player at full ring.
2) means he's (at least a little) disciplined (with pre-flop hand selection) - maybe he's running card dead, but certainly capable of folding a lot PRE.

1 and 2 together make AQ less likely.

The reason it screams a big PP is because it's easy to eliminate a ton of stuff from his range pre. I mean, given the min-raise UTG, he could show up with 33 here, but he's not playing post flop like this with { TT - 55, 22 } very often.

This same player on the BTN will have KTs, T9s, QJ all in his range OTT, and may well have AJ, KQ, and other hands more often than we'd expect.

Never fully discount spew. Even otherwise good, tight players will make bad bets and calls just because they level themselves over some table dynamic.

[acg123]

I'd planned a check raise to any blank, which given his bet size left me with only a min raise and ~20bb left or a shove.

If I'm being honest, I wasn't thinking much would induce a fold for me at the time and was either c/raise or c/calling the turn.
That's one of the reasons I chose this hand to review to try to change my way of thinking/playing this sort of flop in the future.

I've had a good look through my PT stats and whilst everything is in the green zone in leak tracker, my biggest leaks have to be all-in decisions on the turn/river and general turn street play. They're the two areas I'm trying to correct the quickest, as well as learning to play against ranges

The reason i ask is i think your focusing on the fact that you hold AA. Maybe not, but it just seems like folding is/was never a thought. Technically your right, you shouldnt be thinking of folding, but what you should be thinking is what sort of hands min raise me on that flop? 29 hands isnt enough to say a player is solid, people read a few articles and start playing suited connectors and shit to "balance" because youtube said fold K9s but raise T9s. Not you, the fish i mean. He didnt 4bet, so KK and QQ can be heavily discounted, say 1 combo each, plus 3 combos of JJ, 3 combos of 33, one combo of exactly KTof clubs and one combo of exactly AK of clubs, and 4 combos of AQs People do weird shit in zoom. So we beat KK(1),KTcc(1),AKcc(1),AQs(4), and were losing to QQ(1),JJ(3),33(3)

Thats 7 combos each and the absolute best case scenario for our hand. Do you have equilab? Or pokerstove? If you do plug in each of those sperately and look at your equities. I think you will be quite surprised. If you dont, download it for free and check it out.

[renegaderob1]

I did the equilab calculations; 91% against the combos we beat, 5% against the combos we lose to. Certainly was surprised a bit I must say.

I also combined the whole range for curiosity and got 48% equity here.

Given villains line, can we attribute air to him at all?

[acg123]

Given villains line, can we attribute air to him at all?

given your turn sizing, yeah maybe like 6 combos of T9 or something.

[OngBonga]

I'm probably only continuing vs the flop raise if I have reason to suspect villain knows I can fold AA, which I don't think applies here. I think we should b/f all three streets.

[The Bean Counter]

Fold flop. Can't think of anything you beat that raises a pot-sized cbet in a 3bet pot multi-way when you look exactly like KK+. Difficult to see a guy with these pre-flop stats getting funky too.