Spiked boats on the Turn

[twosevoff]

Here are two nearly identical hands where I spiked non-top fullhouses with high pocket pairs on the turn. In the first hand, I don't think there's any way I could've avoided doubling the other guy up. How can I put him on aces full as opposed to AK, AJ, a lower boat, or even a bluff?

In the second, I doubled up myself, but I'm not sure I quite played it right at the end by drastically overbetting the pot and pushing all-in. The other guy's $5 bet leading into me at the river confused me. I thought it meant he had aces full, threes full, fives full, or an ace with a strong kicker and was hoping I would reraise him. I still don't know what he was trying to accomplish with that bet after playing passively the rest of the hand, but I guess it's just the Saturday Night Special on Party/Empire.


***** Hand History for Game 1002040781 *****
0/0 TEXASHTGAMETABLE (NL) - WED SEP 29 15:44:08 EDT 2004
Table Table 14375 (6 max) (Real Money) -- Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: flushdraw_ ( $45.25)
Seat 2: fobboy24 ( $55.85)
Seat 3: KatmanWalkin ( $78.80)
Seat 4: road_trip ( $52.75)
Seat 5: NotTooGood27 ( $81.80)
road_trip posts small blind (0.50)
NotTooGood27 posts big blind (1)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to NotTooGood27 [ Qh, Qd ]
flushdraw_ calls (1)
fobboy24 raises (4) to 4
KatmanWalkin folds.
road_trip folds.
NotTooGood27 raises (7) to 8
flushdraw_ folds.
fobboy24 calls (4)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 2d, As, Ac ]
NotTooGood27 checks.
fobboy24 bets (1)
NotTooGood27 calls (1)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Qc ]
NotTooGood27 checks.
fobboy24 checks.
** Dealing River ** : [ 7h ]
NotTooGood27 bets (15)
fobboy24 raises (46.85) to 46.85
fobboy24 is all-In.
NotTooGood27 calls (31.85)
Creating Main Pot with $111.20 with fobboy24
** Summary **
Main Pot: $111.20 | | Rake: $2
Board: [ 2d As Ac Qc 7h ]
flushdraw_ balance $44.25, lost $1 (folded)
fobboy24 balance $111.20, bet $55.85, collected $111.20, net +$55.35 [ Ad Qs ] [ a full house, Aces full of queens -- Ad,As,Ac,Qs,Qc ]
KatmanWalkin balance $78.80, didn't bet (folded)
road_trip balance $52.25, lost $0.50 (folded)
NotTooGood27 balance $25.95, lost $55.85 [ Qh Qd ] [ a full house, Queens full of aces -- As,Ac,Qh,Qd,Qc ]


***** Hand History for Game 1014251394 *****
0/0 TEXASHTGAMETABLE (NL) - SAT OCT 02 19:42:49 EDT 2004
Table Table 14154 (6 max) (Real Money) -- Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: FreddyN ( $239.85)
Seat 3: NotTooGood27 ( $75.75)
Seat 4: loganmccoy ( $514.32)
Seat 5: crosa64 ( $119.15)
crosa64 posts small blind (0.50)
NotTooGood27 posts big blind (1)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to NotTooGood27 [ Ks, Kc ]
loganmccoy folds.
crosa64 calls (0.50)
NotTooGood27 raises (2) to 3
crosa64 calls (2)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Ac, 5s, Ah ]
crosa64 checks.
NotTooGood27 checks.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Kd ]
crosa64 checks.
NotTooGood27 bets (3)
crosa64 calls (3)
** Dealing River ** : [ 3c ]
crosa64 bets (5)
NotTooGood27 raises (69.75) to 69.75
NotTooGood27 is all-In.
crosa64 calls (64.75)
Creating Main Pot with $150.50 with NotTooGood27
** Summary **
Main Pot: $150.50 | | Rake: $1
Board: [ Ac 5s Ah Kd 3c ]
FreddyN balance $239.85, sits out
NotTooGood27 balance $150.50, bet $75.75, collected $150.50, net +$74.75 [ Ks Kc ] [ a full house, Kings full of aces -- Ac,Ah,Ks,Kc,Kd ]
loganmccoy balance $514.32, didn't bet (folded)
crosa64 balance $43.40, lost $75.75 [ As 6c ] [ three of a kind, aces -- As,Ac,Ah,Kd,6c ]

[|~|ypermegachi]

you would have to have an incredible read on someone to fold something like that. i think most people would have done the same thing.

[Iconoclastic]

Edit- I misread the Hand History. It all makes sense now.

[Les_Worm]

Just wondering- why did you underbet the flop in Hand 1?

He actually didn't even bet at all, he called.