quads or boat..

[Pingviini]

This type of play has already cost me a bit but I dont know how to get more information of my opponents hand. Should I have folded and if so, when? Share your thoughts..

Table High - Tide (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: starbuck1211 ( $72.55 )
Seat 4: menacehennes ( $90.2 )
Seat 6: xxBaggyxx ( $47.14 )
Seat 8: Filesharer ( $83.6 )
Seat 9: JPRsksr ( $47.85 )
Seat 10: SAND_TRAP ( $86.5 )
Seat 5: Me ( $59.1 )
Seat 2: Milwaukee69 ( $51.6 )
Seat 7: SynSid ( $50 )
Seat 3: filthyclean1 ( $49 )
Milwaukee69 posts small blind [$0.5].
filthyclean1 posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to ME [ As Jd ]
menacehennes folds.
ME raises [$3].
xxBaggyxx calls [$3].
Filesharer folds.
JPRsksr folds.
SAND_TRAP folds.
starbuck1211 folds.
Milwaukee69 folds.
filthyclean1 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ts, 6s, Ad ]
ME bets [$5].
xxBaggyxx calls [$5].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6d ]
ME bets [$4].
xxBaggyxx calls [$4].
** Dealing River ** [ 6c ]
ME bets [$10].
xxBaggyxx is all-In [$35.14]
ME calls [$25.14].

ME shows [ As, Jd ] a full house, Sixes full of aces.
xxBaggyxx shows [ 6h, Ah ] four of a kind, sixes.
xxBaggyxx wins $92.78 from the main pot with four of a kind, sixes.

[ngericl]

Any read on him?

He calls on the flop and turn, then goes all-in at the end. Hard to do, not sure I could either, but fold on the river.

[LeFou]

He calls on the flop and turn, then goes all-in at the end

A lot of people are going to do that with any pair -- sometimes Ace high -- as long as they feel like you haven't got a 6

The only way to read a hand like this would be:
Based on PF action, you KNOW opp is playing little suited connectors. Calling your flop bet means he's got a 6 -- that's about all it could mean. Then you could conceivably quit at the second six.

[FlyingSaucy]

That's insane. I'm not laying it down.

[ngericl]

That's insane. I'm not laying it down.

It's a tough lay down, to be sure, and one I'm not likely to make either, but everything the guy did screamed he had a 6.

[LeFou]

That's insane. I'm not laying it down.

Me neither. Just explaining the circumstances where somebody could lay it down.

There's another thread where Molinero was face with an AI holding kings. He said he knew -- for certain -- that opp had kings or aces. So it's a laydown. Clearly.

But he didn't. And opp had aces.

[FlyingSaucy]

No, I know no one is advocating folding it. It's definitely a clear call.


Here's my modified version of the hand history that I would consider laying it down to a river AI. Note that it requires a lot of poor play to get yourself in the predicament that you would consider folding it.

Table High - Tide (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: starbuck1211 ( $72.55 )
Seat 4: menacehennes ( $90.2 )
Seat 6: xxBaggyxx ( $47.14 )
Seat 8: Filesharer ( $83.6 )
Seat 9: JPRsksr ( $47.85 )
Seat 10: SAND_TRAP ( $86.5 )
Seat 5: Me ( $59.1 )
Seat 2: Milwaukee69 ( $51.6 )
Seat 7: SynSid ( $50 )
Seat 3: filthyclean1 ( $49 )
Milwaukee69 posts small blind [$0.5].
filthyclean1 posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to ME [ As Jd ]
menacehennes folds.
ME calls [$1].
xxBaggyxx calls [$1].
Filesharer folds.
JPRsksr folds.
SAND_TRAP folds.
starbuck1211 folds.
Milwaukee69 folds.
filthyclean1 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ts, 6s, Ad ]
ME bets [$1].
xxBaggyxx folds.
filthyclean1 calls [$1].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6d ]
ME bets [$2].
filthyclean1 raises [$4].
ME calls [$2].
** Dealing River ** [ 6c ]
ME bets [$10].
filthyclean1 is all-In [$35.14]