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  1. #1

    Default KK, tell me how I played this..

    I'm going to make this a thread for me and I'll just keep adding hands to it as I go... I would like a mentor who is strong and can keep helping me with my play.... When answer you can just refer to the hand number.

    Thanks in advance!












    ***** Hand History for Game 1899167797 *****
    $25 NL Hold'em - Friday, April 15, 16:12:13 EDT 2005
    Table Table 36938 (Real Money)
    Seat 4 is the button
    Total number of players : 10
    Seat 1: Mulletman ( $20.37 )
    Seat 3: TED124 ( $14.95 )
    Seat 5: hinsdale1 ( $33.01 )
    Seat 6: ender555 ( $42.8 )
    Seat 7: apuka ( $20.2 )
    Seat 9: BappBupp ( $14.41 )
    Seat 10: l2ounder42 ( $24.85 )
    Seat 2: YasuAndy ( $34.75 )
    Seat 8: rufus_405 ( $24.35 )
    Seat 4: IndyvbDave ( $24.5 )
    hinsdale1 posts small blind [$0.1].
    ender555 posts big blind [$0.25].
    ** Dealing down cards **
    Dealt to ender555 [ Kd Kc ]
    apuka folds.
    rufus_405 folds.
    >You have options at Table 36877 Table!.
    BappBupp folds.
    l2ounder42 calls [$0.25].
    Mulletman folds.
    YasuAndy calls [$0.25].
    TED124 folds.
    IndyvbDave folds.
    hinsdale1 calls [$0.15].
    ender555 raises [$0.75].
    >You have options at Table 36877 Table!.
    >You have options at Table 36823 Table!.
    l2ounder42 calls [$0.75].
    >You have options at Table 36877 Table!.
    YasuAndy calls [$0.75].
    hinsdale1 folds.
    ** Dealing Flop ** [ 3d, Tc, Jh ]
    >You have options at Table 36745 Table!.
    ender555 bets [$2].
    l2ounder42 folds.
    YasuAndy calls [$2].
    ** Dealing Turn ** [ 7h ]
    ender555 bets [$4].
    YasuAndy raises [$8].

    THIS IS WHEN I THOUGHT, FUCK I'm GOING TO LOSE TO ANOTHER SET!!


    >You have options at Table 36745 Table!.
    >You have options at Table 36877 Table!.
    ender555 calls [$4].
    ** Dealing River ** [ 7s ]
    ender555 checks.
    YasuAndy is all-In [$23.75]

    The pot was huge at this point, i thought about this for 30 seconds at least, then decided taht he probably did not have a set, and at most 2 pair. and if tha'ts the case maybe it even got counterfeited...

    anyways, i think it was a bad call, what do u think? I had no read on him..
    >You have options at Table 36745 Table!.
    >You have options at Table 36823 Table!.
    ender555 calls [$23.75].
    ender555 shows [ Kd, Kc ] two pairs, kings and sevens.


















    YasuAndy doesn't show [ Js, Ts ] two pairs, jacks and tens.
    ender555 wins $67.75 from the main pot with two pairs, kings and sevens.
    YasuAndy has left the table.
  2. #2
    He made a mistake for not jaming you a lot harder on turn. He must have known you are on high PP and a board pairing up will destroy his 2 pair.
  3. #3
    ok well I'm just going to make this my thread of analysing hands I play, because I would like to improve my game....

    Here's another controversial hand taht I won that was dangerous..

    ***** Hand History for Game 1899274065 *****
    $25 NL Hold'em - Friday, April 15, 16:40:24 EDT 2005
    Table Table 36745 (Real Money)
    Seat 3 is the button
    Total number of players : 10
    Seat 1: Bonjasky ( $22.9 )
    Seat 2: patsfan58 ( $18.5 )
    Seat 3: ClintAU13 ( $67.53 )
    Seat 4: kimmieMP ( $13.05 )
    Seat 5: ender555 ( $35.85 )
    Seat 6: kps11 ( $7.4 )
    Seat 7: MissGlobis ( $24.75 )
    Seat 8: cornOstalk ( $16.9 )
    Seat 9: BluePig ( $28.1 )
    Seat 10: SlyMethods ( $18.5 )
    kimmieMP posts small blind [$0.1].
    ender555 posts big blind [$0.25].
    ** Dealing down cards **
    Dealt to ender555 [ Qd Jh ]
    kps11 calls [$0.25].
    MissGlobis folds.
    cornOstalk calls [$0.25].
    BluePig calls [$0.25].
    SlyMethods calls [$0.25].
    Bonjasky calls [$0.25].
    patsfan58 calls [$0.25].
    ClintAU13 folds.
    kimmieMP folds.
    ender555 checks.
    ** Dealing Flop ** [ Qh, Td, Jc ]
    ender555 bets [$2].
    kps11 folds.
    cornOstalk raises [$5].
    >You have options at Table 36938 Table!.
    BluePig folds.
    SlyMethods folds.
    Bonjasky folds.
    patsfan58 folds.
    ender555 raises [$6].
    >You have options at Table 36877 Table!.
    cornOstalk is all-In [$11.65]
    ender555 calls [$8.65].
    ** Dealing Turn ** [ 2h ]
    ** Dealing River ** [ 9d ]
    ender555 shows [ Qd, Jh ] two pairs, queens and jacks.
    cornOstalk doesn't show [ Js, Tc ] two pairs, jacks and tens.
    >You have options at Table 37100 Table!.
    ender555 wins $33.4 from the main pot with two pairs, queens and jacks.

    I figured he didn't have AK because of no preflop raise, and I also figured no 8,9 because who plays that unless its suited.. I guess thats a legitimate hand tho and I should've been more weary of it.
  4. #4
    ***** Hand History for Game 1899347631 *****
    $25 NL Hold'em - Friday, April 15, 16:59:34 EDT 2005
    Table Table 36877 (Real Money)
    Seat 8 is the button
    Total number of players : 8
    Seat 1: ChuckH0022 ( $18.4 )
    Seat 3: PacoMcTuna ( $23.11 )
    Seat 5: kimmieMP ( $4.95 )
    Seat 6: lalabuche ( $16.14 )
    Seat 8: Napoleon99 ( $52.44 )
    Seat 9: ender555 ( $27.13 )
    Seat 10: shakkinen ( $20.59 )
    Seat 2: Henke882 ( $26.25 )
    ender555 posts small blind [$0.1].
    shakkinen posts big blind [$0.25].
    ** Dealing down cards **
    Dealt to ender555 [ Jc Kh ]
    >You have options at Table 37100 Table!.
    ChuckH0022 calls [$0.25].
    Henke882 folds.
    PacoMcTuna calls [$0.25].
    kimmieMP folds.
    lalabuche folds.
    Napoleon99 folds.
    ender555 raises [$0.9].
    shakkinen folds.
    ChuckH0022 calls [$0.75].
    PacoMcTuna calls [$0.75].
    ** Dealing Flop ** [ 6c, 6s, 6h ]
    ender555 checks.
    ChuckH0022 checks.
    PacoMcTuna checks.
    ** Dealing Turn ** [ Jh ]
    ender555 bets [$2].
    ChuckH0022 calls [$2].
    PacoMcTuna raises [$4].
    ender555 calls [$2].
    ChuckH0022 calls [$2].
    ** Dealing River ** [ 7c ]
    ender555 checks.
    >You have options at Table 36745 Table!.
    ChuckH0022 checks.
    PacoMcTuna bets [$6].
    >You have options at Table 36938 Table!.
    LILLDAGGE has joined the table.
    >You have options at Table 37100 Table!.
    ender555 calls [$6].
    ChuckH0022 folds.
    PacoMcTuna shows [ 7d, 6d ] four of a kind, sixes.
    ender555 doesn't show [ Jc, Kh ] a full house, Sixes full of jacks.
    PacoMcTuna wins $25.9 from the main pot with four of a kind, sixes.








    What are teh chances that he has a 6? especially after a raise... i thought i made the right call. I also thought he didnt have QKA pair because no re-raise preflop...
  5. #5
    That last hand...I think the call/push was fine. I'd be more worried about AA/KK/QQ here than a 6, which isn't much of a worry at all.

    Preflop, I like a larger raise with limpers in ahead of you. I feel this way about the KK hand too. Had you raised to 1.25 or 1.5, you might well have gotten the hands that ended up better than you out. I try to start with 3xbb and then raise another bb for each limper in the pot, meaning that with 2 in front, might well be betting that 1.5. This limits the field more AND extracts more on the times that you win the hand (which presumably will be more when you're raising).

    It may seem like this would drive people away, but there are two answers around that: first, they may well stick around anyway; they're going to see you raising bigger than they expect much of the time you raise. That means they won't be scared when you do it, necessarily. Further, if they do, then you can start making this type of play more often, regardless of your cards.
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  6. #6
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    I usually raise to 1.75 with big pairs preflop, I think with the new blind strucure you need to raise those preflop hard.
  7. #7
    WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS???!!?1?!?! PLEASE HELP ME OUT ON THIS SITUATION!!!



    ***** Hand History for Game 1902207542 *****
    $25 NL Hold'em - Saturday, April 16, 02:25:53 EDT 2005
    Table Table 36938 (Real Money)
    Seat 9 is the button
    Total number of players : 10
    Seat 1: cat00923 ( $27.3 )
    Seat 3: chipdumper12 ( $60.1 )
    Seat 6: imbicile ( $19.6 )
    Seat 7: kaj123 ( $24.05 )
    Seat 8: propilot1 ( $29.1 )
    Seat 9: jfiling ( $3.08 )
    Seat 10: EmpireEd ( $18.4 )
    Seat 2: ender555 ( $25 )
    Seat 5: champion_sox ( $23.05 )
    Seat 4: dbmitch ( $15 )
    EmpireEd posts small blind [$0.1].
    cat00923 is sitting out.
    ender555 posts big blind [$0.25].
    ** Dealing down cards **
    Dealt to ender555 [ 8c 8s ]
    chipdumper12 folds.
    cat00923 has left the table.
    champion_sox folds.
    imbicile calls [$0.25].
    kaj123 folds.
    propilot1 calls [$0.25].
    jfiling calls [$0.25].
    EmpireEd folds.
    ender555 raises [$0.25].
    >You have options at Table 36570 Table!.
    imbicile calls [$0.25].
    propilot1 calls [$0.25].
    jfiling calls [$0.25].
    ** Dealing Flop ** [ Td, 8d, Ts ]
    ender555 checks.
    imbicile checks.
    propilot1 bets [$0.25].
    jfiling folds.
    ender555 calls [$0.25].
    imbicile calls [$0.25].
    ** Dealing Turn ** [ 2h ]
    >You have options at Table 37145 Table!.
    ender555 checks.
    imbicile checks.
    propilot1 bets [$0.25].
    ender555 calls [$0.25].
    imbicile calls [$0.25].
    ** Dealing River ** [ 2d ]
    ender555 checks.
    imbicile checks.
    >You have options at Table 37145 Table!.
    propilot1 bets [$0.25].
    ender555 raises [$3].
    imbicile folds.
    propilot1 raises [$5.5].
    ender555 raises [$6].
    propilot1 calls [$3.25].
    ender555 shows [ 8c, 8s ] a full house, Eights full of tens.
    propilot1 shows [ Th, Js ] a full house, Tens full of twos.
    propilot1 wins $20.55 from the main pot with a full house, Tens full of twos.
  8. #8
    On the boat hand...your only mistake was not getting your chips in faster. Slow playing to the river makes it hard for you to make max bank.

    Raising earlier might have given you a better idea as to if he had the T or not. Note this guy as a player who minbets good hands and move on...next time you now and can try to evaluate if you think your hand is better than the one he's semi-slow playing.
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  9. #9
    theres no reason for me to think he has a 6 with a two fucking dollar raise.. jeezus

    ***** Hand History for Game 1903411946 *****
    $50 NL Hold'em - Saturday, April 16, 11:41:03 EDT 2005
    Table Table 36881 (Real Money)
    Seat 3 is the button
    Total number of players : 10
    Seat 2: mr_nickles ( $8.69 )
    Seat 3: ender555 ( $26 )
    Seat 4: jcr728 ( $52.35 )
    Seat 5: gwendoc ( $26.87 )
    Seat 6: Ruin007111 ( $52.3 )
    Seat 7: tbfink ( $49 )
    Seat 8: mmacmurt ( $50.35 )
    Seat 9: Tyjones34 ( $12 )
    Seat 10: mtbobo ( $53.9 )
    Seat 1: mmmDonuts ( $50 )
    jcr728 posts small blind [$0.25].
    gwendoc posts big blind [$0.5].
    mmmDonuts posts big blind [$0.5].
    ** Dealing down cards **
    Dealt to ender555 [ Ks As ]
    Ruin007111 folds.
    tbfink calls [$0.5].
    mmacmurt folds.
    Tyjones34 folds.
    mtbobo folds.
    mmmDonuts checks.
    mr_nickles folds.
    >You have options at Table 36597 Table!.
    ender555 raises [$2].
    jcr728 calls [$1.75].
    gwendoc calls [$1.5].
    tbfink folds.
    mmmDonuts folds.
    ** Dealing Flop ** [ 2d, 4h, 5c ]
    jcr728 bets [$1].
    gwendoc folds.
    ender555 raises [$4].
    jcr728 calls [$3].
    ** Dealing Turn ** [ 3s ]
    jcr728 bets [$1].
    ender555 raises [$4].
    jcr728 calls [$3].
    ** Dealing River ** [ Kc ]
    jcr728 checks.
    ender555 bets [$10].
    jcr728 calls [$10].
    ender555 shows [ Ks, As ] a straight, ace to five.
    jcr728 shows [ 6c, 5d ] a straight, two to six.
    jcr728 wins $40.85 from the main pot with a straight, two to six.
    mmacmurt has left the table.
    Tyjones34 has left the table.
  10. #10
    No...there wasn't any reason to suspect that.

    Have you been winning more than your histories suggest? If not, why the move up to .25/.5. That worries me a little.
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  11. #11
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    cuss much?

    you KK raise smelled like a wuss..

    bet upwards of $2 preflop with stong premium hands


    Corey
  12. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by Corey
    cuss much?

    you KK raise smelled like a wuss..

    bet upwards of $2 preflop with stong premium hands
    Are you telling him to vary preflop raises according to the strength of his hand? I'm not sure I like that idea...
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  13. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by JeffreyGB
    No...there wasn't any reason to suspect that.

    Have you been winning more than your histories suggest? If not, why the move up to .25/.5. That worries me a little.
    yeah im still double up what the amount of money i put online..

    no my bankroll can't support the 25/50.. i was just experimenting
  14. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by JeffreyGB
    No...there wasn't any reason to suspect that.

    Have you been winning more than your histories suggest? If not, why the move up to .25/.5. That worries me a little.
    yeah im still double up what the amount of money i put online..

    no my bankroll can't support the 25/50.. i was just experimenting..

    i only put on the hands where i have really hard decisions to make that come out wrong...

    oh i moved up because i was fucking pissed at the outrageous calls people were making and catching 2 pair or a set with terrible odds on the river.. I quickly found out that doesn't change at the 50NL level
  15. #15
    Was i overconfident on this one? I was trying to shut off the draw on the turn, but after i bet i realized i had committed myself no matter what, even if there was a set out there.





    ***** Hand History for Game 1904539987 *****
    $25 NL Hold'em - Saturday, April 16, 16:52:56 EDT 2005
    Table Table 37292 (Real Money)
    Seat 7 is the button
    Total number of players : 10
    Seat 3: ender555 ( $38.51 )
    Seat 5: TransAm77 ( $24.5 )
    Seat 6: downwitopp ( $31.45 )
    Seat 7: FilthyRich68 ( $32.62 )
    Seat 8: LILLDAGGE ( $15.71 )
    Seat 9: Pokerbus ( $41 )
    Seat 10: JaxxVain ( $9.2 )
    Seat 1: moleman11 ( $20.36 )
    Seat 4: Softman22 ( $9.12 )
    Seat 2: Nascar_Ted78 ( $7.75 )
    LILLDAGGE posts small blind [$0.1].
    Pokerbus posts big blind [$0.25].
    ** Dealing down cards **
    Dealt to ender555 [ Ad Ks ]
    JaxxVain folds.
    moleman11 calls [$0.25].
    ender555 raises [$1].
    Softman22 folds.
    TransAm77 calls [$1].
    downwitopp folds.
    FilthyRich68 calls [$1].
    LILLDAGGE folds.
    Pokerbus folds.
    moleman11 calls [$0.75].
    ** Dealing Flop ** [ Qs, Kh, 2h ]
    moleman11 checks.
    >You have options at Table 37003 Table!.
    ender555 bets [$3].
    TransAm77 calls [$3].
    FilthyRich68 calls [$3].
    moleman11 calls [$3].
    ** Dealing Turn ** [ 5c ]
    moleman11 checks.
    ender555 bets [$12].
    >You have options at Table 37003 Table!.
    TransAm77 folds.
    FilthyRich68 folds.
    moleman11 is all-In [$16.36]
    ender555 calls [$4.36].
    ** Dealing River ** [ 9d ]
    ender555 shows [ Ad, Ks ] a pair of kings.
    moleman11 doesn't show [ 6c, Kc ] a pair of kings.
    ender555 wins $46.62 from the main pot with a pair of kings with ace kicker.
    >You have options at Table 36759 Table!.
  16. #16
    The money isn't too deep to take that hand to the felt. I would push on that turn.
  17. #17
    If this guy didn't suck, I wouldn't of extracted max value out of this hand...

    How would you have played it?

    funny that he limped aces, finally those pieces of shit get what they deserve




    ***** Hand History for Game 1908011963 *****
    $25 NL Hold'em - Sunday, April 17, 08:44:30 EDT 2005
    Table Table 37558 (Real Money)
    Seat 10 is the button
    Total number of players : 10
    Seat 1: kyrani ( $37.3 )
    Seat 2: AntDak ( $17.02 )
    Seat 3: lyan888 ( $36.08 )
    Seat 5: Gathers ( $21.02 )
    Seat 6: Moss ( $27.75 )
    Seat 8: Krisztian111 ( $15.58 )
    Seat 9: Buildzep ( $59.75 )
    Seat 10: jerrybrune ( $49.5 )
    Seat 4: ender555 ( $29.75 )
    Seat 7: fpmek ( $24.75 )
    kyrani posts small blind [$0.1].
    AntDak posts big blind [$0.25].
    ** Dealing down cards **
    Dealt to ender555 [ 7d 8d ]
    lyan888 calls [$0.25].
    ender555 calls [$0.25].
    Gathers calls [$0.25].
    Moss folds.
    fpmek calls [$0.25].
    Krisztian111 folds.
    Buildzep folds.
    jerrybrune raises [$0.5].
    >You have options at Table 36547 Table!.
    kyrani calls [$0.4].
    AntDak calls [$0.25].
    lyan888 calls [$0.25].
    ender555 calls [$0.25].
    Gathers calls [$0.25].
    fpmek calls [$0.25].
    ** Dealing Flop ** [ 7h, 7s, Qd ]
    kyrani checks.
    AntDak checks.
    lyan888 checks.
    ender555 bets [$1].
    >You have options at Table 36604 Table!.
    Gathers calls [$1].
    fpmek folds.
    jerrybrune raises [$2].
    kyrani folds.
    AntDak folds.
    lyan888 folds.
    >You have options at Table 37279 Table!.
    ender555 calls [$1].
    Gathers calls [$1].
    ** Dealing Turn ** [ 2d ]
    ender555 checks.
    Gathers checks.
    >You have options at Table 36547 Table!.
    >You have options at Table 37279 Table!.
    jerrybrune bets [$5].
    ender555 raises [$10].
    Gathers folds.
    jerrybrune calls [$5].
    ** Dealing River ** [ 7c ]
    ender555 is all-In [$17.25]
    jerrybrune calls [$17.25].
    ender555 shows [ 7d, 8d ] four of a kind, sevens.
    jerrybrune shows [ Ad, As ] a full house, Sevens full of aces.
    >You have options at Table 37279 Table!.
    ender555 wins $61 from the main pot with four of a kind, sevens.
  18. #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffreyGB
    Quote Originally Posted by Corey
    cuss much?

    you KK raise smelled like a wuss..

    bet upwards of $2 preflop with stong premium hands
    Are you telling him to vary preflop raises according to the strength of his hand? I'm not sure I like that idea...
    I raise 1.75 every time, unless, there is a raise in front of me and I have KK/AA (depending on read QQ) in which case I put in a massive reraise.
  19. #19
    i actually like to raise more with j's and q's than k's and a's...

    1) u get less callers
    2) if u hit trips u dont get put on it
    3) u can steal pots easier at flop when oercards come

    but thats just me and my experience over prolly 10-20 hands

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