He called me with Jack high!

[moiraine57]

Did you all ever see that episode of poker on TV, where a homeless guy won a seat to a final table? He was just thrilled to be there, so he thought he'd have fun. He raised a hand in the dark and ended up agitating one pro so much, the pro called him with Jack High---

That sounds ideal, but that is the nightmare I feel as though I am in.

I'm making money in limit hold em, sure. But am I maximizing my profit? Hell no. WTF are these assholes thinking? I've got A-Q, bet on every street, (check-raise on the turn) and am called the whole way by 6-8 that makes a pair of 8s on the end.

ARGH!

And then when I do get monster hands, will I get any action? No, these calling stations will just call call call. Reraise isn't in their vocabulary (unless of course they have unimproved wired nines with 2 overs on the board.....)

Their play is completely inexplicable to me. I can't be aggressive, because the dumbasses will never fold. But if I just camp for good hands...while, I might as well play NL and maximize my profit on camping.

Okay, rant over. At any rate, help me. I know there is money to be made here, but what is the best strategy? Aggression on a dangerous board seems out, because they'll call any old crap. But if I wanted to just camp, why not play NL? Help me out here, I'm getting frustrated, but definitely want to learn.

He called me with jack high!

[pokerfanatic]

{moved from limit holdem}

[Grand_MasterB]

Come to the dark side and play NL... i would love to see that 8-6 calling you down when you are makin bot sized bets the whole way. Seriously with the state of the online game today i dont know why anyone would waste time playing any L poker for small stakes.

[ville18]

Limit's for #¤%ASR#¤

[Sed]

Seriously with the state of the online game today i dont know why anyone would waste time playing any L poker for small stakes.

Why don't you ask fnord...

-sed

[DWDuck]

i would love to see that 8-6 calling you down when you are makin bot sized bets the whole way

Don't the online sites get suspicious with all these bot sized bets?

Darkwing

[Pizzaman]

The last week has been the opposite for me. I can't win for nuthin at NL, because I keep getting sucked out on. The only place I have been winning is at Limit, and I don't like to play Limit poker, but I like winning more than losing.

[Grand_MasterB]

i would love to see that 8-6 calling you down when you are makin bot sized bets the whole way

Don't the online sites get suspicious with all these bot sized bets?

Darkwing

haha if you are very sneaky you can avoid their attention


and as far as the limit thing goes. i've tried it out but cant bring myself to make 2BB/hr when i can be making 10+bb/hr playing NL. I know there are people out there who love limit. But i guess i just need the action.

[Phyl]

i've tried it out but cant bring myself to make 2BB/hr when i can be making 10+bb/hr playing NL. I know there are people out there who love limit. But i guess i just need the action.

That's a bad way to look at it. A limit game with blinds of $1 and $2 cannot be compared to a NL game of $1 and $2 blinds.

If you compare winrates to blinds then NL is much much more profitable but that's not a fair way to look at it.

[Grand_MasterB]

i've tried it out but cant bring myself to make 2BB/hr when i can be making 10+bb/hr playing NL. I know there are people out there who love limit. But i guess i just need the action.

That's a bad way to look at it. A limit game with blinds of $1 and $2 cannot be compared to a NL game of $1 and $2 blinds.

If you compare winrates to blinds then NL is much much more profitable but that's not a fair way to look at it.

How else would you look at is besides BB's won per hour? that totally negates the value of the big blind. Of course playing $1/2 NL is probably more like playing $5/10 L. im just not sure how else to compare the two.

[Phyl]

i've tried it out but cant bring myself to make 2BB/hr when i can be making 10+bb/hr playing NL. I know there are people out there who love limit. But i guess i just need the action.

That's a bad way to look at it. A limit game with blinds of $1 and $2 cannot be compared to a NL game of $1 and $2 blinds.

If you compare winrates to blinds then NL is much much more profitable but that's not a fair way to look at it.

How else would you look at is besides BB's won per hour? that totally negates the value of the big blind. Of course playing $1/2 NL is probably more like playing $5/10 L. im just not sure how else to compare the two.

I think it's a better idea to compare their returns on investment, that is winrates to bankroll. With the ability to play loads of limit tables at the same time without much skill deterioration the profitability of the two games will be pretty close. Close enough that the only thing that matters is which you enjoy more.

[Grand_MasterB]

i've tried it out but cant bring myself to make 2BB/hr when i can be making 10+bb/hr playing NL. I know there are people out there who love limit. But i guess i just need the action.

That's a bad way to look at it. A limit game with blinds of $1 and $2 cannot be compared to a NL game of $1 and $2 blinds.

If you compare winrates to blinds then NL is much much more profitable but that's not a fair way to look at it.

How else would you look at is besides BB's won per hour? that totally negates the value of the big blind. Of course playing $1/2 NL is probably more like playing $5/10 L. im just not sure how else to compare the two.

I think it's a better idea to compare their returns on investment, that is winrates to bankroll. With the ability to play loads of limit tables at the same time without much skill deterioration the profitability of the two games will be pretty close. Close enough that the only thing that matters is which you enjoy more.

Im a little confused??? isnt BB/hr just another way of saying return on investment? If i sit with $500 at a $5/10 limit table for an hour and win $50 i would have a 10% ROI. Wich figures to be 5bb/hr. Im not trying to get smart im just not seeing the difference...

its cause im stupid.

[Phyl]

i've tried it out but cant bring myself to make 2BB/hr when i can be making 10+bb/hr playing NL. I know there are people out there who love limit. But i guess i just need the action.

That's a bad way to look at it. A limit game with blinds of $1 and $2 cannot be compared to a NL game of $1 and $2 blinds.

If you compare winrates to blinds then NL is much much more profitable but that's not a fair way to look at it.

How else would you look at is besides BB's won per hour? that totally negates the value of the big blind. Of course playing $1/2 NL is probably more like playing $5/10 L. im just not sure how else to compare the two.

I think it's a better idea to compare their returns on investment, that is winrates to bankroll. With the ability to play loads of limit tables at the same time without much skill deterioration the profitability of the two games will be pretty close. Close enough that the only thing that matters is which you enjoy more.

Im a little confused??? isnt BB/hr just another way of saying return on investment? If i sit with $500 at a $5/10 limit table for an hour and win $50 i would have a 10% ROI. Wich figures to be 5bb/hr. Im not trying to get smart im just not seeing the difference...

its cause im stupid.

You can't figure it out that way because the amount you buy in for is so unimportant in limit aslong as you have at least 12BBs (24 big blinds). It doesn't make a difference if your stack is 12BBs or 500BBs. So I think it's best to compare the amount of money you can make with a certain bankroll in the two games.

I think that makes sense, there's a chance I'm confusing everything here though.

Edit: We/I have totally hijacked this thread.

[TylerK]

Basically with a bankroll of, say, $1200, you could play 2/4 limit but you couldn't (or shouldn't) play 2/4 NL. With that BR, one should be playing about $50 buyin NL (I think $100NL on a $1200 BR might be a little aggressive, correct me if I'm wrong), so the blinds would be...err, what are they usually? $.25/.50? So figure you have to make 8BB/100 at $50NL to come up even with $2/4 LHE. I figure that's reasonable, but I really have no idea about NL winrates. I'm guessing 10BB/100 at higher than the micro-est stakes is more wishful thinking than anything else.

[journey075]

btw, that homeless black guy was insanely annoying.

[pokerfanatic]

I moved the thread because if my memory is right the tournament was NL, but I might be wrong plus it fits bettor here anyways...

[journey075]

I moved the thread because if my memory is right the tournament was NL, but I might be wrong plus it fits bettor here anyways...

it was a limit tourney.

[a500lbgorilla]

I moved the thread because if my memory is right the tournament was NL, but I might be wrong plus it fits bettor here anyways...

'

it was a limit tourney.

Oooo, way to drop the ball pkrfan!

-'rilla

[pokerfanatic]

hehe opps, sorry about that, but this thing got a bettor response in here then it would have in the limit topic that's for sure...

ps i'm not moving another thread unless i'm 100% surew about it...

[Element187]

Seriously with the state of the online game today i dont know why anyone would waste time playing any L poker for small stakes.

Why don't you ask fnord...

-sed

i'll second that.

[Demiparadigm]

i've tried it out but cant bring myself to make 2BB/hr when i can be making 10+bb/hr playing NL. I know there are people out there who love limit. But i guess i just need the action.

That's a bad way to look at it. A limit game with blinds of $1 and $2 cannot be compared to a NL game of $1 and $2 blinds.

If you compare winrates to blinds then NL is much much more profitable but that's not a fair way to look at it.

How else would you look at is besides BB's won per hour? that totally negates the value of the big blind. Of course playing $1/2 NL is probably more like playing $5/10 L. im just not sure how else to compare the two.

I think it's a better idea to compare their returns on investment, that is winrates to bankroll. With the ability to play loads of limit tables at the same time without much skill deterioration the profitability of the two games will be pretty close. Close enough that the only thing that matters is which you enjoy more.

Im a little confused??? isnt BB/hr just another way of saying return on investment? If i sit with $500 at a $5/10 limit table for an hour and win $50 i would have a 10% ROI. Wich figures to be 5bb/hr. Im not trying to get smart im just not seeing the difference...

its cause im stupid.

You can't figure it out that way because the amount you buy in for is so unimportant in limit aslong as you have at least 12BBs (24 big blinds). It doesn't make a difference if your stack is 12BBs or 500BBs. So I think it's best to compare the amount of money you can make with a certain bankroll in the two games.

I think that makes sense, there's a chance I'm confusing everything here though.

Edit: We/I have totally hijacked this thread.

Ummm.... I like limit. Most high stakes games are still limit.
Why is this thread in the Community?

FTR Community
All NON-POKER off-topic miscellany. Our lounge.

I am going to agree with Phyl.
But to answer the original question:
YOU WANT PEOPLE TO CALL YOU WITH BAD HANDS! If everyone folded when you had them beat, how much money do you think you would make?

This question comes up every week or so. We need a sticky in the beginners forum that just says

"If you can't beat shitty players you can't fucking beat good players either!"

Seriously.

But keep betting with the best hand. It'll pay off.

The reason that you are losing money is not because people are sucking out on your big hands it is that

You suck at limit hold 'em.

[straight167]

{Edited for content by a500lbgorilla}

NO BAD BEATS OUTSIDE OF ITS ALL BAD

What is this thread about and where does it go?

-'rilla