hand played rippy style bad result suggestions?

[spino1i]

***** Hand History for Game 2255577572 *****
$200 NL Hold'em - Friday, June 24, 10:57:29 EDT 2005
Table Table 38146 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 4: innitm8 ( $189 )
Seat 5: bubba2244 ( $275.7 )
Seat 6: gr0wl ( $55.05 )
Seat 7: pkoike ( $144.7 )
Seat 8: Darsy ( $184.6 )
Seat 10: Pokerface787 ( $228.2 )
Seat 2: taste42 ( $56.5 )
Seat 1: HEREFISHIE2 ( $202 )
Seat 9: EvilEcstasy_ ( $208.45 )
Seat 3: justlarginit ( $200 )
taste42 posts small blind [$1].
justlarginit posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to EvilEcstasy_ [ 7s 8s ]
innitm8 folds.
bubba2244 folds.
gr0wl folds.
pkoike folds.
Darsy folds.
EvilEcstasy_ raises [$6].
Pokerface787 folds.
HEREFISHIE2 folds.
taste42 folds.
justlarginit calls [$4].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6h, 2c, 4d ]
justlarginit bets [$6].
EvilEcstasy_ calls [$6].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7c ]
justlarginit bets [$10].
EvilEcstasy_ calls [$10].
** Dealing River ** [ Jc ]
justlarginit bets [$10].
EvilEcstasy_ calls [$10].
justlarginit shows [ Ah, 7h ] a pair of sevens.
EvilEcstasy_ doesn't show [ 7s, 8s ] a pair of sevens.
justlarginit wins $62 from the main pot with a pair of sevens with ace kicker.

[bair]

what are you doing? how is that rippy style at all? why did you call the flop bet? why did you call the turn bet? why did you call the river bet? you had a terrible hand the entire time. i dont think ripptyde calls people down to the river with a hopeless hand after the flop. all you were being here was a calling station, you never even raised besides preflop. ripptyde plays aggressive, which is exactly what you didnt do. he had a better hand than you preflop, on the flop, on the turn, on the river, and you expected to win the hand by just CALLING?

[Sed]

I would advise sticking to the standard raising hands for a little while... looks like you need some more experience before you start playing suited connectors for raises.

If you raise a hand like that preflop and the board flops rags you have to raise or fold that garbage. Rippy can play those hands because he has the balls to punch it in when he feels his opp is bluffing or on a draw when he has a low pair on a ragged board.

All you had there was a gutshit and two weak overs. You have to know that you are beat there and fold to the raise if you can't punch it in on a bluff.

- sed

[spino1i]

you told me what i did wrong, but you didnt tell me what i should do lol

can you pls tell me that ?

[Sed]

Did I cover it above?

- sed

[spino1i]

I would advise sticking to the standard raising hands for a little while... looks like you need some more experience before you start playing suited connectors for raises.
- sed

How does playing the standard raising hands give you experience on playing suited connectors?

[bair]

you should have folded on the flop or raised if you thought he didnt have anything. there is no calling here.

[Sed]

I was just saying if you play a hand like that and don't know what you did wrong you have no business playing those hands in the first place. Experience is golden in poker and playing the standard hands and learning how to play them well, working on your reads especially, will help you know when and how to play suited connectors. I usually play them for a straight, a flush or 2 pair/trip unless I have isolated a calling station then I'll bet up a pair when I think the guy has overcards and can't let them go.

edit: sorry if that comes off harsh...

- sed

[dalecooper]

^ Agreed. Fold or raise on the flop. That board is what you want as the pre-flop aggressor - at least in so far as it didn't help your hand at all, it's exceedingly unlikely to have helped your caller's hand either. Rippy would probably fire out a big fat raise on the flop, or just fold.

[spino1i]

^ Agreed. Fold or raise on the flop. That board is what you want as the pre-flop aggressor - at least in so far as it didn't help your hand at all, it's exceedingly unlikely to have helped your caller's hand either. Rippy would probably fire out a big fat raise on the flop, or just fold.

When I raise pre-flop and the guy bets into me a small amount, what should this tell me? I was confused after he made that bet, couldnt figure out what that meant, suggestions on how to think of 1/3-1/2 pot-sized bets made by the calling player on the flop?

[bair]

i would have raised that flop bet w/ any hand. its only half the pot, i can afford to double it to try to take it down from that weak ass bet. if he calls, slow down, if he reraises, fold.

[spino1i]

now that I'm thinking about it, those sorts of bets fall into two catagories:

1. The bet is a "testing the waters" bet, made by someone holding a marginal hand (such as middle pair or some pocket pair). If the player making the bet meets a big raise by the pre-flop aggressor, they will either call and the fold to any future bets or just fold right there.

2. The bet is made by a player with a draw (and possibly an incredibly weak draw, as is the case with this hand), hoping that the pre-flop aggressor doesnt have anything and trying to take down the pot right there.

I think the correct move in both cases is to raise (even without strong holdings yourself), unless its some sort of trap, which is highly unlikely in my opinion.

Would I be right saying this? Also, any other catagories that should be mentioned for this type of bet?

[Sed]

When I raise pre-flop and the guy bets into me a small amount, what should this tell me? I was confused after he made that bet, couldnt figure out what that meant, suggestions on how to think of 1/3-1/2 pot-sized bets made by the calling player on the flop?

In a situation with rags on the flop, it is often a probe/blocking bet trying to take away the pot because he is assuming you missed since most people raise big cards preflop. He was testing the waters to see if you had an overpair, where you would likely re-raise him and he would fold. If you rep the overpair on that flop with a nice pot-sized raise, you could have easily taken that pot away.

The beauty of raising these medium suited connectors in decent position is that people assume you missed the raggy flop and you can bend them over when your cards hit.

The problems with them are...You need to protect your flush draws a little more than if you were drawing to the nuts. You will likely have greater variance if you play these like rippy since when people call your pushes with overs, your low pair will have few redraws if they hit.

- sed

[drmcboy]

above is correct... plus when playing rags you have to teach yourself to ignore it when you make a pair, especially after you get called on the flop. You're happy, but you should generally assume you are still behind, just picked up some outs.

Another category of - what does a smallish bet like this mean - would be he flopped a monster, puts you on a hand (in this case, say he made a set and thinks you have an over pair) and assumes if he puts in a bet you're re raise to push him off. Classic Doyle - lead into the raiser when you make a hand.

[dsaxton]

His flop bet was very weak, so I would try to take it down with a big raise. Notice you would've won had you done that. The whole purpose behind raising preflop with these hands is to represent strength throughout the hand to get your opponents to lay down.

[lolzzz_321]

raise raise raise, don't play against me , raise raise raise

[a500lbgorilla]

You only played the hand rippy-style preflop.

Then you started playing... counter rippy style. A raise anywhere (but the river most likely) would win you a nice pot.

-'rilla

[DimitriT]

You need to bet into weakness not strength. Here he calls
your PFR (strength) and he bets out on the flop on rags (strength).

What you want:

* fold on the PFR
* check on the flop

The reason suited connectors are good button hands for raises
is that:

* you can represent J, Q, K, A
* you can connect with two rags for pairs
* you can connect with drawing hands

You didn't get any of this, and you got strength. Fold and try
again later.

Edit: just noticed this is 200NL. His flop raise wasn't too strong. Here
you could have taken it with a raise.

[Element187]

i'll take a crack at it.


you were in middle position raising with garbage, unless the entire table is full of tighty's i would limp here.


i would make this move on the button or CO after its been folded to me.


flop came, i hit a pair and a gutshot, i will reraise the flop bet hard to get information.

you called to the river, you didnt improve, its time to let the hand go.

i'll call to the turn and fold if i dont hit two pair or my straight.

[Element187]

i wouldnt call it rippy style.

but i lag it up g00t.

i started off trying to take the pot down right there with these limpers and was limp raised, called and hoped to out flop him, as he had a large stack, and destacking him was my goal.


#Game No : 2193618453
***** Hand History for Game 2193618453 *****
$50 NL Hold'em - Sunday, June 12, 00:28:30 EDT 2005
Table Table 37195 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: peabody375 ( $68.69 )
Seat 2: DJK29 ( $71.35 )
Seat 4: nczeebs ( $56.55 )
Seat 5: wolfe007 ( $104.73 )
Seat 7: bananas13 ( $24 )
Seat 10: Element187 ( $154.05 )
Seat 6: bekele ( $46 )
Seat 3: gatorpools ( $49 )
peabody375 posts small blind [$0.25].
DJK29 posts big blind [$0.5].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Element187 [ Jh 9h ]
gatorpools calls [$0.5].
nczeebs folds.
wolfe007 calls [$0.5].
bekele folds.
bananas13 folds.
Element187 raises [$2].
peabody375 folds.
DJK29 folds.
gatorpools calls [$1.5].
wolfe007 raises [$6.5].
Element187 calls [$5].
gatorpools folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Td, 2h, Qd ]
wolfe007 bets [$8].
Element187 calls [$8].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Kh ]
wolfe007 bets [$25].
Element187 is all-In [$139.05]
wolfe007 is all-In [$64.73]
** Dealing River ** [ 7c ]
wolfe007 shows [ Ah, Ks ] a pair of kings.
Element187 shows [ Jh, 9h ] a straight, nine to king.
Element187 wins $49.32 from side pot #1 with a straight, nine to king.
Element187 wins $209.21 from the main pot with a straight, nine to king.
wolfe007 has left the table.
Game #2193625896 starts.



my read was aces or kings for villian.

the great thing about playing "maniac lag" is it puts the table on tilt after i showdown 1-2 gap connectors all the way down to 53, and all my monsters get paid off as everyone thinks i have crap.


the main difference is, if i hit a pair i would lay down my hand to the 8$ flop bet.