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  1. #1

    Default 2 hands - did I play them right?

    Two SnG hands for comments/criticisms/suggestions... It's my first post in this great forum, so be gentle!

    My thoughts in red

    Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t40 (9 handed) converter

    Hero (t2060)
    CO (Villain) (t1425)
    Button (t1500)
    SB (t590)
    BB (t1685)
    UTG (t1575)
    UTG+1 (t2595)
    MP1 (t1060)
    MP2 (t2510)

    Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 6d, 6c.
    UTG calls t40, 1 fold, MP1 raises to t80, 1 fold, Hero raises to t240, CO (Villain) raises to t400, 3 folds, UTG folds, MP1 folds, Hero calls t160.

    UTG has been making these min raises with anything, and I got bored of it, wasn't looking for a re-raise from Villain. Pot odds led me to call - about 5 to 1. Even if he holds a higher pair, I'm almost getting actual odds to draw to my set, and the implied odds are certainly there.

    Flop: (t980) Kh, 5d, 8d (2 players)
    Hero checks, Villain checks.

    I missed and wanted to see what he'd do.
    Turn: (t980) 8c (2 players)
    Hero checks, Villain bets t85, Hero calls t85.

    This bet looks too small to fold to...my hand mght be best right now.

    River: (t1150) 9s (2 players)
    Hero checks, Villain checks.

    Final Pot: t1150

    Results below:
    Hero has 6d 6c (two pair, eights and sixes).
    Villain has Qc Qh (two pair, queens and eights).
    Outcome: Villain wins t1150.



    Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (4 handed) converter

    Hero (t3635)
    Button (Villain) (t4885)
    SB (t2300)
    BB (t4180)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with As, 6s.
    Hero calls t100, Button (Villain) raises to t200, 2 folds, Hero calls t100.

    I'd been really aggressive recently, and so I called to avoid a table sheriff re-raise. By this stage, a min raise was taking pots, hence his bet.

    Flop: (t550) 7d, 2s, 8h (2 players)
    Hero checks, Villain checks.

    He raised, so I wanted to see what he'd do since I missed. Point about aggression still stands.

    Turn: (t550) 5s (2 players)
    Hero bets t250, Villain raises to t1300, Hero calls t1050.

    Now I've got an OESD, nut flush draw and maybe overcard outs - worth a bet, and I'm getting 2 to 1 odds on the call.

    River: (t3150) 6c (2 players)
    Hero checks, Villain checks.

    Hit bottom pair...maybe good if he was drawing too, but didn't want to risk being raised if I bet.

    Final Pot: t3150

    Results below:
    Hero has As 6s (one pair, sixes).
    Villain has Kc Kh (one pair, kings).
    Outcome: Villain wins t3150.


    Thanks in advance for the feedback!
  2. #2
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    Hand #1
    Why are you re-raising 6's? You want in for cheap with a hand like that. Then you call a re-re-raise (odds were there, but only because your initial bet created those odds).
    Put in a probe bet on the turn. Make it look like you hit the flop, but were trying to get him to create the action.

    Hand #2
    With outs like that on the turn, why not re-raise? You'll see where you stand, and possibly win the pot right there. Your initial bet of 250 was less then half the pot. It looks weak as hell.
  3. #3
    Hand 1 - Dont raise pocket 6's like that, limp and try to hit your set. Even though your raise makes the call 5-1 on your money, that still doesnt give you odds to hit your set. This is especially true as the hand plays out and he's clearly scared of the King and won't commit the rest of his money.

    Implied odds you talk about only really exist on a flop with several players where you can tell at least one player will put the rest of his chips in (ie when you think one of the players has the nut flush and you could make a full house)
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    Hand 2 - You say you've been really aggressive lately, that means players will be avoiding you most of the time. You're "feeler" bet on the turn for almost half the pot is fine, its there to let you know where you stand - BUT ! - The call after being reraised is just wrong, it suggests you're beat at this point and you should lay it down. You have 20 outs if none of those cards help his hand, in this case 11 to the flush, 6 to the straight and 3 aces that's 20 in 46 unseen cards so 2.3 to 1, but the call is 2-1 so it's still unfavourable AND it will cripple you to call.
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  4. #4
    a quick note on the second hand..when you only called his raise on the turn he must have known you were drawing to something but he didnt know to what..that 6 puts 5-6-7-8 on the board and you can easily bluff that, hard play but doable...proof that the 6 scared him was his river check.

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  5. #5
    Hand 1 - 'I got bored/frustrated/mad' at a given players actions is never a good reason to do anything.

    Anyone who re raises pre flop then checks a K high flop like that is going to have to call a bet from me on the turn unless they are a proven slow player. In this case, we have a proven weak tight.

    Hand 2 - generally, you should not be folding to a min raise this late (assuming medium + stack). If they are, great, that doesn't mean you should. You're always getting good odds and folding once just makes people do it more, and then you have to guess. I would rate both blinds in this hand pathetic unless they were both looking at 23o.

    I would agree your bet screams of draw, 3/4 PS at least here. When he re raises it's tough... based on his play I'm guessing you didn't see much bluffing or betting draws, and it seems unlikely he's going to pay off the str8 or the the flush, maybe not even the A, so low/no implied odds. Given all that and what seems like a pretty weak table I'd be tempted to look for a better spot. Really though I think you can make a case for fold/call/raise here.

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