Your move?

[Cocco_Bill]

*** Export for: Cocco_Bill Game: Texas Holdem Game number: 409193043 ***
Date: 7/4/2005 3:27:56 AM
Game: 409193043: Table: Walking On Air
Normal Table No Limit 1.00/2.00
Rake: 3.00
Seat: 1 DonnyRainbow $40
Seat: 2 Current93
Seat: 3 PokerVegan (Dealer)
Seat: 4 pokeart
Seat: 5 13TOOL13
Seat: 6 Cocco_Bill (have them covered)
Seat: 7 DJ_Ponytale
Seat: 8 MASKOAA
Seat: 9 VeryGrimm $81
Seat: 10 Roblestein


I am dealt
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OpeningBetRound
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pokeart : Posts small blind 0.50
13TOOL13 : Posts big blind 1.00
Cocco_Bill : Calls for 1.00
DJ_Ponytale : Folds
MASKOAA : Folds
VeryGrimm : Calls for 1.00
Roblestein : Folds
DonnyRainbow : Calls for 1.00
Current93 : Folds
PokerVegan : Folds
pokeart : Folds
13TOOL13 : Checks
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Flop
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13TOOL13 : Checks
Cocco_Bill : Bets 3.00
VeryGrimm : Raises for 10.00
DonnyRainbow : Calls for 10.00
13TOOL13 : Folds
Cocco_Bill : Calls for 7.00
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Turn
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Cocco_Bill : Checks
VeryGrimm : Bets 30.00
DonnyRainbow : Went all-in 28.66
Cocco_Bill : ?

[spino1i]

Well the key here is whether your up against a set or not. If you're not up against a set then you call, but I think its likely you are. If thats the case fold..

[Cocco_Bill]

If both of them have a set I have 33,3% chance to win...

In that scenario calling would obviously be the best move.

Now if one of them has say JQ and the other a set, then folding is correct.

[bencathers]

I'd call, but I like that risk taking. Someone has either a high PP, a set or two pair - you will not win this hand with just a pair of 10's (at least I think... you can definitely prove me wrong). What were the table images of these people? If they were tight, I'd fold.. if wild aggro and you feel like taking some chances, you would push (I would)

[Fleece]

assuming noone has QJ
u have 15 outs thats 2:1 u will win, pot odds are 3:1. if u push pot odds become 1.8:1 so call is the correct move barely

if somone does have QJ then ur odds are 3.5:1 plus he has $40 left giving u implied odds to call but just BARELY assuming that u can get the other guy all in on the river

[Muxy]

I say Fold Preflop JTs UTG is not a hand i like playing.

Hmmmmm, well like i said above, I call/push.

This is why position matters.

[Cocco_Bill]

I say Fold Preflop JTs UTG is not a hand i like playing.

Hmmmmm, well like i said above, I call/push.

This is why position matters.

Table was passive preflop and I will usually play JTs, JQs or better from any position, partly to increase my range possible holdings. Both of these hands are showing a profit after 108k hands so why fix whats not broken..

Calling and pushing are two very different moves here! Do you call or push and why?

Yeah position would have been nice here

[a500lbgorilla]

Opinions on pushing the flop? You get a chance at representing a real monster here and the opponents don't have enough money behind to really make you regret getting a call and missing.

-'rilla

[Cocco_Bill]

Opinions on pushing the flop? You get a chance at representing a real monster here and the opponents don't have enough money behind to really make you regret getting a call and missing.

-'rilla

I did consider doing so, but since there was a real possibility of a set out there I wanted to see if the board would pair on the turn. Also if I hit the straight I am still easily getting paid off, but a flush card could have killed the action.

I agree though, pushing the flop is definitely not a bad move.

[journey075]

i like pushing the flop way more than pushing the turn.

[Cocco_Bill]

I pushed and was called.

River is a spade.

Opponents show AA and 98 for 2 pair.

I had a 45% chance to win the pot on the turn with a whopping 20 outs against both of them.

[Greedo017]

i generally don't like pushing an oesfd if i can draw with it, but in this case half of his stack would be in even if you just call. better to push here while its way in your favor than see a possibly ugly card and give yourself a tough turn call.