Call this

[Muxy]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

CO ($39.55)
Button ($25)
SB ($21.10)
BB ($26.60)
UTG ($11.55)
Hero ($24.25)
MP1 ($23.45)
MP2 ($24.65)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K, Q.
1 fold, Hero raises to $1, 4 folds, SB raises to $1.75, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.75.

Flop: ($3.75) J, 4, T (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($3.75) 3 (2 players)
SB bets $4, Hero.....

Would you call this.

It almost looks like a stab at the pot.

[Deadmoney]

I'd probably fold this. You're getting horrible odds to draw to the straight or flush, and even if he's stabbing at it, with his preflop re-raise you have to at least put him on AK or AQ, which has you beat here anyway.

Not worth the risk for such a small pot in my opinion.

[evman150]

You have 15 outs to an immortal or near immortal hand. With those alone you are getting 32:15 odds. Just worse than 2:1. Your K and Q may also be outs and by the looks of it they may just be. If you count them as maybe three outs (may win you, may not win you), it gives you 18 outs and 29:18 odds against. You are getting laid about 1.9:1 on your call. Your odds of hitting are 29:18 or 1.6:1 against. So without even considering implied odds you should call. Any implied odds make this a trivially easy call. Edit: King high will not ever (almost anyway, unless the guy is really fishy) be good given the PF raise...I missed that when I first wrote this.

Call. A semi-bluff raise may even be a decent play if you think the guy is capable of folding. But if he is a typical fish then you should just call and bet out if you hit the flush and check if you hit the straight or pair and induce a bluff. But he will check behing you if the third club hits so you'll have to bet that hand.

Btw...I think he has 99. Small chance of AK. Unless he's a maniac/fish, then who knows.

[DimitriT]

Yes. I would call.

Look at the number of outs..

9 flush + 6 straight + 6 overs = 21 outs

Thats about a 40% chance of hitting some thing on the river, although the overcards may help him more than they help you.

That pot has about $8 in it and you have a $4 bet so you have odds. Also if you get an A and he has AK (which is what I put him on) you can probably extract more from him.

[lowBoy]

I call all day long. At first I was like "Ahhh, another thread about drawing to the flush" but then I saw your straight draw as well and got a little excited in my pants.

[EasyT]

Even though I will, and often do, make this sort of call all the time, let me explain why this sort of hand always lands me in trouble.

I start counting the outs as you have done: 9 flush, 6 straight, and maybe 6 more for top pair. Look at the pot and decide to call.

Here's my problem:
Too often I make this call and then find that I was counting "DIRTY" outs (whatever they're called...not CLEAN ones). Is it possible in this case that the guy has Ac 9c? I think his bet is reasonable with the nut flush draw, givin Muxy's check behind on the flop. In that case I've called after counting my grand 21 outs, I find out I was really only drawing to, what, 10 outs? All my clubs are tainted, and two of my straight cards are in the Villan's hand. And of those 10 outs, how confident am I going to be with the 6 cards that make me TPGK with a 4-straight on the board?

Is there any way to combat this DIRTY OUTS dilemma? 21 is the maximum I COULD have, but I probably don't have ALL of those. Even if he has 99 as someone else suggested, those cards are crimping my outs a little. In this case, almost any cards that Villan could be betting with here are overlapping my outs.

EasyT

[dalecooper]

In situations like this I almost always disregard the overcard outs. You have no idea where you stand relative to his hand - if he has an overpair, AK, AQ, etc. those "outs" may amount to nothing. I like to have a rock solid read on someone before counting those as outs. Otherwise I look strictly at the outs I am pretty sure are clean: the flush and the straight.

Because he re-raised here, he could very well have any of the hands that dirty your overcard outs. I would ignore them. On a hand with a little more grey area (say if there was no pre-flop raise) I usually count them as half-outs, because you aren't sure they're clean. Six overcard outs would be represented as three outs when I was calculating my pot odds for a call. I do this most of the time with overs unless I am dead certain my opponent has a lower pocket pair or something.

You are getting good enough (or almost good enough) odds here to call on your two draws. With any implied odds whatsoever, this is +EV. So call. If you hit a queen or king, proceed with caution or not at all. If I hit a king here I'd be happy to check down and might fold to a bet. A queen I would call a moderate bet, perhaps.

[Cocco_Bill]

Why are you checking the flop?

Bet the flop, call or raise the turn.

[Element187]

open ended straight + flush draw is a strong hand, im calling hoping to bust him, expecially if an ace or 9 none club drops

[Muxy]

The out come was horrible.

Ten of clubs on the river. He bet out 4 the same bet he re raise to 12. I Smooth call he flipped over JJ for a boat.