What am I doing wrong? SnG HH

[nickthefool]

I'm on a horrible run at the moment, this is my latest SnG, where i finished 5th. I didn't think i did a lot wrong (apart from lose lol) but i'm sure you guys can find holes. If anyone could take the time to read this and comment, i'd be very grateful.

Start has 9 players, 2k stacks, blinds 20/40, go up every 8 minutes.

Folds : 4s 7c
4s 9s
Jh 3c
6h Qs
5c 3h
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Table Name Hand ID Game Stakes
$5 NL - 9 Seats 4657959-6 Holdem No Limit 20/40
Seat 1 : nickthefool has $2,000
Seat 2 : Shady Lane has $2,020
Seat 3 : markshaulin has $2,000
Seat 4 : jimmyjams has $2,060
Seat 5 : BlufferMan- has $1,660
Seat 6 : TaeSamLee has $2,080
Seat 7 : zinc23 has $2,260
Seat 8 : Poketk has $2,080
Seat 9 : bigears11 has $1,840
Poketk is the dealer.
bigears11 posted small blind.
nickthefool posted big blind.
Game [6] started with 9 players.
Dealing Hole Cards.
Seat 1 : nickthefool has Kc Js
Shady Lane folded.
markshaulin folded.
jimmyjams called 40
BlufferMan- folded.
TaeSamLee folded.
zinc23 folded.
Poketk folded.
bigears11 called 20
nickthefool checked.
Dealing flop.
Board cards [6h 7s 9c]
bigears11 checked.
nickthefool checked.
jimmyjams bet 80
bigears11 called 80
nickthefool folded.
Dealing turn.
Board cards [6h 7s 9c Qs]
bigears11 checked.
jimmyjams bet 160
bigears11 called 160
Dealing river.
Board cards [6h 7s 9c Qs Qd]
bigears11 checked.
jimmyjams bet 200
bigears11 folded.
jimmyjams wins 600 as the last player standing
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Folds : 5d 7s
4h 8c
Qd 7h
Jc Qd (tried to limp from mid position, CO (Shady Lane) raised to 180, called by early position limper, would have had to fold on flop as 1 player went all in)
5d 4h
8s 2h
5h Ac
4c 5d
79o in bb, checked, 3 limpers, flop 8AJ, check, 2bb raise and min reraise by the time it is back to me, fold
5d 7s
Qd 3c
Js Ad (again, tried to limp for 100, as not that many pots raised preflop, Shady Lane raises to 400, it is likely they will raise big on any flop so would need J high for me to be confident, so i fold)
Ks 5d
9h 5d
2d 5h
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Table Name Hand ID Game Stakes
$5 NL - 9 Seats 4657959-22 Holdem No Limit 50/100
Hand Start.
Seat 1 : nickthefool has $1,670
Seat 2 : Shady Lane has $2,330
Seat 3 : markshaulin has $2,900
Seat 4 : jimmyjams has $1,540
Seat 5 : BlufferMan- has $1,550
Seat 6 : TaeSamLee has $2,560
Seat 7 : zinc23 has $1,640
Seat 8 : Poketk has $1,460
Seat 9 : bigears11 has $2,350
TaeSamLee is the dealer.
zinc23 posted small blind.
Poketk posted big blind.
Game [22] started with 9 players.
Dealing Hole Cards.
Seat 1 : nickthefool has Ks Jd
bigears11 folded.
nickthefool called 100
Shady Lane called 100
markshaulin folded.
jimmyjams folded.
BlufferMan- called 100
TaeSamLee folded.
zinc23 called 50
Poketk raised 200
nickthefool folded.
Shady Lane called 200 and raised 2,030 and is All-in
BlufferMan- folded.
zinc23 folded.
Poketk called 1,160 and is All-in
Showdown!
Seat 2 : Shady Lane has 7s 8s
Seat 8 : Poketk has Kh Qd
Board cards [8d 7h Td 8h 2h]
Shady Lane has Full House : 8s full of 7s
Poketk has Pair: 8s
Shady Lane wins 3,220 with Full House : 8s full of 7s
From this i decide Shady Lane is just a very loose player, they have raised most hands they are involved in so far, and this proves they don't often have a good hand even.
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Table Name Hand ID Game Stakes
$5 NL - 9 Seats 4657959-23 Holdem No Limit 50/100
Hand Start.
Seat 1 : nickthefool has $1,570
Seat 2 : Shady Lane has $4,090
Seat 3 : markshaulin has $2,900
Seat 4 : jimmyjams has $1,540
Seat 5 : BlufferMan- has $1,450
Seat 6 : TaeSamLee has $2,560
Seat 7 : zinc23 has $1,540
Seat 9 : bigears11 has $2,350
zinc23 is the dealer.
bigears11 posted big blind.
Game [23] started with 8 players.
Dealing Hole Cards.
Seat 1 : nickthefool has Qd As
nickthefool called 100 and raised 200
Shady Lane called 300
markshaulin folded.
jimmyjams folded.
BlufferMan- folded.
TaeSamLee folded.
zinc23 folded.
bigears11 folded.
Dealing flop.
Board cards [4s Ah 9s]
nickthefool bet 400
Shady Lane called 400 and raised 3,390 and is All-in
nickthefool called 870 and is All-in
Showdown!
Seat 1 : nickthefool has Qd As
Seat 2 : Shady Lane has Js 3s
Board cards [4s Ah 9s Ac 3c]
Shady Lane has Two Pair: Aces and 3s
nickthefool has 3 of a Kind: Aces
nickthefool wins 3,240 with 3 of a Kind: Aces
With the flop bet, i am expecting him to come over the top with any two, which he does nicely. I hadn't expected him to actually be on anything, but he didn't draw out on me so it was ok.
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Folds : 6c 4d (was bb of 100, but sb raised to 600, Shady Lane was only limper, he called. sb pushed on 657 rainbow flop, Shady Lane calls with 78o, catches a 9 on the river to knock out sb, reinforcing my read on Shady Lane - very loose and aggressive - doesn't like the fold button)
5c Ts
9s 3s
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Table Name Hand ID Game Stakes
$5 NL - 9 Seats 4657959-27 Holdem No Limit 50/100
Hand Start.
Seat 1 : nickthefool has $3,090
Seat 2 : Shady Lane has $3,870
Seat 3 : markshaulin has $3,800
Seat 4 : jimmyjams has $1,540
Seat 5 : BlufferMan- has $1,600
Seat 6 : TaeSamLee has $2,560
Seat 7 : zinc23 has $1,540
Shady Lane is the dealer.
markshaulin posted small blind.
jimmyjams posted big blind.
Game [27] started with 7 players.
Dealing Hole Cards.
Seat 1 : nickthefool has Ks Qd
BlufferMan- called 100
TaeSamLee folded.
zinc23 folded.
nickthefool called 100
Shady Lane called 100
markshaulin called 50
jimmyjams checked.
Dealing flop.
Board cards [Ts Ad Kc]
markshaulin checked.
jimmyjams checked.
BlufferMan- checked.
nickthefool checked.
Shady Lane checked.
Dealing turn.
Board cards [Ts Ad Kc 6s]
markshaulin checked.
jimmyjams checked.
BlufferMan- bet 100
nickthefool called 100 and raised 200
Shady Lane folded.
markshaulin folded.
jimmyjams folded.
BlufferMan- called 200
Dealing river.
Board cards [Ts Ad Kc 6s Td]
BlufferMan- checked.
nickthefool checked.
Showdown!
Seat 1 : nickthefool has Ks Qd
Seat 5 : BlufferMan- has 9h Ah
BlufferMan- has Two Pair: Aces and 10s
BlufferMan- wins 1,100 with Two Pair: Aces and 10s
I just got the feeling he didn't have an ace, and could see a call here with KJ QT JT. Once he called me on the turn i felt pretty sure he wouldn't fold unless to a large bet, and he was probably ahead of me, so i checked to find out. My initial feeling was wrong, but it didn't cost me too much. Not sure about what i should have done with this hand though.
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Folds : 3s 6h
9s Kd
8d Kh
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Table Name Hand ID Game Stakes
$5 NL - 9 Seats 4657959-31 Holdem No Limit 100/200
Hand Start.
Seat 1 : nickthefool has $2,690
Seat 2 : Shady Lane has $3,670
Seat 3 : markshaulin has $4,500
Seat 4 : jimmyjams has $1,340
Seat 5 : BlufferMan- has $1,900
Seat 6 : TaeSamLee has $1,860
Seat 7 : zinc23 has $2,040
TaeSamLee is the dealer.
zinc23 posted small blind.
nickthefool posted big blind.
Game [31] started with 7 players.
Dealing Hole Cards.
Seat 1 : nickthefool has 7h Ts
Shady Lane called 200
markshaulin folded.
jimmyjams folded.
BlufferMan- folded.
TaeSamLee folded.
zinc23 called 100
nickthefool checked.
Dealing flop.
Board cards [7c 5h Tc]
zinc23 checked.
nickthefool bet 200
I was hoping Shady Lane would see this as weakness and come over the top, but no luck this time.
Shady Lane called 200
zinc23 called 200
Dealing turn.
Board cards [7c 5h Tc 6s]
zinc23 bet 200
nickthefool called 200 and raised 400
Trying to give anyone with a straight or flush draw bad odds to call now
Shady Lane folded.
zinc23 called 400
Dealing river.
Board cards [7c 5h Tc 6s Ks]
zinc23 checked.
nickthefool bet 400
zinc23 folded.
nickthefool wins 2,400 as the last player standing
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Folds : 2c 7h
2d 3d (thought about limping, but someone before me went all in for roughly 1000 chips. They had ATo, called by bb, who had AA, and won)
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Table Name Hand ID Game Stakes
$5 NL - 9 Seats 4657959-34 Holdem No Limit 100/200
Hand Start.
Seat 1 : nickthefool has $3,990
Seat 2 : Shady Lane has $3,870
Seat 3 : markshaulin has $3,700
Seat 4 : jimmyjams has $2,680
Seat 5 : BlufferMan- has $1,900
Seat 6 : TaeSamLee has $1,860
Shady Lane is the dealer.
markshaulin posted small blind.
jimmyjams posted big blind.
Game [34] started with 6 players.
Dealing Hole Cards.
Seat 1 : nickthefool has Qd Tc
BlufferMan- folded.
TaeSamLee folded.
nickthefool called 200 and raised 300
I thought i would try a steal, i was half-expecting Shady Lane to call, and thought i could probably win a big pot if i hit the flop at all. In hindsight this probably wasn't a good table to try this move on, should have limped/folded as i get the feeling Shady's calling range would not be affected by my raise. If anything, i think it made him more likely to call.
Shady Lane called 500
markshaulin called 400
jimmyjams folded.
Dealing flop.
markshaulin bet 3,200 and is All-in
nickthefool folded.
Didn't want to bet my stack on a straight draw
Shady Lane folded.
markshaulin wins 1,700 as the last player standing
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Folds : 4c Jd (shady bets 400 to win a 600 pot on 46J flop, and shows T8)
Qc 3d (shady raises to 600, jimmy goes all in with AQo, shady calls with A2s. AQ holds up)
Qc 2h (shady went all in from UTG, i was bb, folded round to me. I saw it as a tilt bet but thought i was probably behind so folded (1290 to call), he showed Tc 3c)
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$5 NL - 9 Seats 4657959-38 Holdem No Limit 100/200
Hand Start.
Seat 1 : nickthefool has $3,290
Seat 2 : Shady Lane has $1,790
Seat 3 : markshaulin has $4,900
Seat 4 : jimmyjams has $4,860
Seat 5 : BlufferMan- has $1,600
Seat 6 : TaeSamLee has $1,560
TaeSamLee is the dealer.
nickthefool posted small blind.
Shady Lane posted big blind.
Game [38] started with 6 players.
Dealing Hole Cards.
Seat 1 : nickthefool has Ts Ah
markshaulin folded.
jimmyjams called 200
BlufferMan- folded.
TaeSamLee folded.
nickthefool called 100 and raised 400
Shady Lane called 400 and raised 1,190 and is All-in
I expected him to do this, with any suited, connected, paired or face cards. Knowing that he had 66, i'd probably still do this, should i be?
jimmyjams folded.
nickthefool called 1,190
Showdown!
Seat 1 : nickthefool has Ts Ah
Seat 2 : Shady Lane has 6h 6c
[Sep 20 23:58:07] : Board cards [4s Ks 7d 5d 6d]
Shady Lane has 3 of a Kind: 6s
nickthefool has High Card : Ace
Shady Lane wins 3,780 with 3 of a Kind: 6s
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Pushed with Ks Qs when folded to me in button, blinds folded
Folds : Jc Qh (1 limper before me, didn't really want to push 2x in a row)
Ks 9s (UTG folds, i thought for a long time if i should push this or not, but thought i would get a better spot, should i have pushed here?)
5c 9d
8h 3d (was bb, but a limp and a 2xbb raise before me)
9c 2s (again, a raise before me)
Pushed Kc 6d when folded to me as button, again blinds fold. Stack now 1800, blinds 150/300
Folds : 3h 4c
8h 3c (after i fold, shady goes all in with 22, called by short stack's AQ, 22 holds up, down to 5 players)
Kh 5h
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Table Name Hand ID Game Stakes
$5 NL - 9 Seats 4657959-49 Holdem No Limit 150/300
Hand Start.
Seat 1 : nickthefool has $1,800
Seat 2 : Shady Lane has $3,830
Seat 3 : markshaulin has $4,400
Seat 4 : jimmyjams has $4,500
Seat 6 : TaeSamLee has $3,470
'Dead button' is at seat 4
TaeSamLee posted small blind.
nickthefool posted big blind.
Game [49] started with 5 players.
Dealing Hole Cards.
Seat 1 : nickthefool has 6h Jh
Shady Lane folded.
markshaulin folded.
jimmyjams folded.
TaeSamLee called 150 and raised 300
I am pretty sure this is a steal, really need the chips, and am not getting a lot of unraised pots unless i am UTG. Also my fold equity is pretty much 0 after this hand for most of the other players.
nickthefool called 300 and raised 1,200 and is All-in
TaeSamLee folded.
nickthefool wins 1,200 as the last player standing
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$5 NL - 9 Seats 4657959-50 Holdem No Limit 150/300
Hand Start.
Seat 1 : nickthefool has $2,400
Seat 2 : Shady Lane has $3,830
Seat 3 : markshaulin has $4,400
Seat 4 : jimmyjams has $4,500
Seat 6 : TaeSamLee has $2,870
TaeSamLee is the dealer.
nickthefool posted small blind.
Shady Lane posted big blind.
Game [50] started with 5 players.
Dealing Hole Cards.
Seat 1 : nickthefool has 5s 5h
markshaulin folded.
jimmyjams folded.
TaeSamLee called 300 and raised 600
nickthefool called 750 and raised 1,500 and is All-in
I was expecting a call with 2 overs here, i wasn't expecting an overpair. Should i want for a better spot?
Shady Lane has 10 seconds to respond.
Shady Lane folded.
TaeSamLee called 1,500
Showdown!
Seat 1 : nickthefool has 5s 5h
Seat 6 : TaeSamLee has Jd Js
Board cards [Ks Qc Kc 8s 6c]
nickthefool has Two Pair: Kings and 5s
TaeSamLee has Two Pair: Kings and Jacks
TaeSamLee wins 5,100 with Two Pair: Kings and Jacks
nickthefool : nh gg
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[a500lbgorilla]

Once blinds are up to 50/100, you no longer have to option to limp. It's a law.

-'rilla

[Staresy]

OK, for what it’s worth ……

JQo – I wouldn’t bother even limping with this early in a SnG. I would just look to preserve the chips at this stage.

AJo – Raise or fold this IMO.

KJo – in early position …… bin that crap

I like the play with the AQ (hand 3) – especially given your opponent.

Hand 4 – the KQo – I don’t like the raise on the turn. I am not sure quite what it is supposed to be. As for “so i checked to find out.” You don’t find out anything by checking. You have to bet that on the river after you have raised on the turn (IMO), largely because it is pretty much your strongest way of winning the hand.

Hand 5 – The T7 two–pair hand – you say “Trying to give anyone with a straight or flush draw bad odds to call now”, however you didn’t really achieve that. You raise 400 with 1600 already in the pot. Next player is therefore offered 400 to call to win 2000, or 5:1. The odds of hitting a straight on a card by card basis are 5:1 and a flush 4:1. When you raise, raise with conviction. Don’t just offer bad odds with hands like this, offer appalling odds.

The Q2o in the BB hand – That is one of those horrible situations. You know the guy is tilting badly but u don’t quite have the hand needed to call. However, 1290 to call to win how much? What were the blinds at this stage? It may be that u could have been priced into a call here, regardless of knowing shady’s cards.

Hand 7 – the AT hand – You are hoping he doesn’t show Tens and up or a stronger Ace. However, given the opponent, you said it yourself …… “I expected him to do this, with any suited, connected, paired or face cards. Knowing that he had 66, i'd probably still do this”. I call this no problem. If this is someone like TaeSamLee (who looks like he has barely played a hand – maybe I am wrong?) I would think twice.

Hand 8 – looks read dependant and looks like u got it right

Hand 9 – tough one. You have to ask yourself are you prepared to even take the coinflip here? i.e. Is the reward worth the risk? I possibly let this one go given that I am moving out of the blinds next hand but it is a definite toughie.

[BrokeSucca]

I think you played it well. Here’s my thoughts for what they’re worth.

Hand one, bet the flop. With a rags flop like that a steal works more times then not in my experience.

Hand two, you know Shady is going to call, bet bigger pre-flop

Hand four – bet the flop like you have the Ace. If you get called shut it down cause the caller does.

Hand six, yes, trying to steal with Shady there was pointless.

Hand seven, Raise with AT? Too loose for my taste even in late position. Maybe for a steal but again that’s pointless when Shady is going to call everything. And I don’t like calling when you can’t put him on anything. Fold it and wait for a better hand.

Last hand – Grrrr, I hate that situation.

[nickthefool]

Once blinds are up to 50/100, you no longer have to option to limp. It's a law.

-'rilla

Even with 2k starting stacks? I stop limping at 100/200 as a general rule of thumb.

[nickthefool]

JQo – I wouldn’t bother even limping with this early in a SnG. I would just look to preserve the chips at this stage.

AJo – Raise or fold this IMO.

KJo – in early position …… bin that crap

Fair points, thinking about it AJo should be the only one i would consider limping, having wrongly expected that i would be able to.

Hand 4 – the KQo – I don’t like the raise on the turn. I am not sure quite what it is supposed to be. As for “so i checked to find out.” You don’t find out anything by checking. You have to bet that on the river after you have raised on the turn (IMO), largely because it is pretty much your strongest way of winning the hand.

I expected him to check/call up to about 500 chips on the river, but didn't have a strong read on the guy so wanted to see what kind of cards he was making that play with, was scared he could be slowplaying a flopped straight (check, minraise, smooth call)

Hand 5 – The T7 two–pair hand – you say “Trying to give anyone with a straight or flush draw bad odds to call now”, however you didn’t really achieve that. You raise 400 with 1600 already in the pot. Next player is therefore offered 400 to call to win 2000, or 5:1. The odds of hitting a straight on a card by card basis are 5:1 and a flush 4:1. When you raise, raise with conviction. Don’t just offer bad odds with hands like this, offer appalling odds.

Yeah, didn't think straight lol.

The Q2o in the BB hand – That is one of those horrible situations. You know the guy is tilting badly but u don’t quite have the hand needed to call. However, 1290 to call to win how much? What were the blinds at this stage? It may be that u could have been priced into a call here, regardless of knowing shady’s cards.

Blinds were 100/200, so a call would have made the pot 3080. Didn't think about it at the time tbh, but say he had Axo, x being 3-J. Then i am about 35% to win, i make it -EV of about 200 chips. I had assumed him to have an A or K at least i suppose, and a Q would have been even worse. With something like QT/QJ i am probably calling this.

Hand 9 – tough one. You have to ask yourself are you prepared to even take the coinflip here? i.e. Is the reward worth the risk? I possibly let this one go given that I am moving out of the blinds next hand but it is a definite toughie.

I should have folded this, but then hindsight is a great thing lol. Thanks a lot for the comments.

[nickthefool]

Hand one, bet the flop. With a rags flop like that a steal works more times then not in my experience.

With that many limpers? In my experience there is rarely a flop that nobody has hit that early on with 4 limpers, and even then a lot of people are willing to gamble with 2 overs.

Hand four – bet the flop like you have the Ace. If you get called shut it down cause the caller does.

Yeah, probably should have just got money in on the flop. I was hoping the turn would give me a straight i guess.

Hand six, yes, trying to steal with Shady there was pointless.

Agreed. I was doing what i normally do and not adjusting to the table. Most tables i find myself on would have folded there (hardly ever get called on first steal).

Hand seven, Raise with AT? Too loose for my taste even in late position. Maybe for a steal but again that’s pointless when Shady is going to call everything. And I don’t like calling when you can’t put him on anything. Fold it and wait for a better hand.

The point was that i expected him to do that, and i was likely ahead. Assuming that he will come over the top and the limper will fold, i am paying 1590 for a pot of 3780 that i could well be favourite for. Even with him on low pp i have odds to make this move.

Thanks for the response.

[rubixstreub]

Once blinds are up to 50/100, you no longer have to option to limp. It's a law.

-'rilla

Even with 2k starting stacks? I stop limping at 100/200 as a general rule of thumb.

With 2k starting stacks you've got more of a cushion to make a continuation and let it go if things go bad. Maybe you could limp a low PP for set value at a very passive table at this level, but I'd certainly 3BB raise AJo.

Also, I think I would have pushed K9 UTG if you hadn't pushed aggressively two hands prior. If this hand had been the KQ, I'd push.

[nickthefool]

Yeah if i hadn't pushed with the KQ i would have pushed with K9s for sure, and if the other way round i am probably pushing both. Though in all honesty it only really makes a difference if i get called by AQ AJ AT A9.

[a500lbgorilla]

Once blinds are up to 50/100, you no longer have to option to limp. It's a law.

-'rilla

Even with 2k starting stacks? I stop limping at 100/200 as a general rule of thumb.

Just means you have extra chips to continuation bet.

It's just horrible to limp off 5~8% of your stack.

You're just commiting too much money preflop without pushing anyone out WHILE playing a shitty hand.

-'rilla