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Failing with AKs - how's the play?

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  1. #1

    Default Failing with AKs - how's the play?

    This happens so often with this goofy hand (it misses), I'm wondering if I played it properly in this case. Many times I would just check the flop, but in this case I at least have the nut flush draw, and ace high is probably good at the flop, plus only 1 opponent. Forvie the manual HH, no auto-generated available.

    The opponent in this case was a loose calling station - loved to chase a flush or straight.

    Pac Poker 5c/10c NL $10

    Hero LP1 [$9.23]
    Villain Lp2 [$6.68]

    Dealt to Hero: :Ac: :Kc:

    Hero raises to $0.50
    Villan calls

    [Pot $1.20]
    Flop:
    Hero bets $1.00
    Villain calls $1.00

    [Pot $3.10]
    Turn: :Js:
    Hero bets $1.00
    Villain raises $1.00
    Hero calls $1.00

    [Pot $6.90]
    River: :Td:
    Hero checks
    Villain is All in
    Hero folds

    I put Villain on the J9 or JT. Could've been QJ/KJ/AJ, a pocket pair, a pair on the board etc. But knowing how much he liked to chase draws, I'm thinking J9/JT the most likely. He's pretty sure that he's got it handled at the river (the few times I saw him win a hand he would allin on the river when he knew his hand was best, and was called a couple times - flush draws he chased at a poor price too).

    So one question - should I have bothered to bet the turn or just check it? Should I have bet $2-$3 on the turn, still representing an overpair?
    The river play is pretty standard I'm assuming.
    I basically probe-bet the turn - if this guy had a jack, then as a calling station he's not going anywhere, even to a $3 bet - which of course is great when I really have an overpair, but not so hot here

    Thanks for commetns in advance!

    Horror
  2. #2
    I love to push with AKs and flush draw on flop. Most of the time you will in there. Sometimes you get called with and you have a lot of outs with either a flush of over cards.

    You are a favorite over any PP like JJ or TT with 2 over and flush draw.
  3. #3
    Really tough one. Against a typical opponent I bet the pot amount on the turn with a perception of 15 clean outs and fold equity that arrives with a broadway.

    Against a calling station I check and call with lost fold equity and good implied odds (he'll pay off a flush)
    It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
    Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by Bo G
    I love to push with AKs and flush draw on flop. Most of the time you will in there. Sometimes you get called with and you have a lot of outs with either a flush of over cards.

    You are a favorite over any PP like JJ or TT with 2 over and flush draw.
    This is not a cash game move Bo G. This is a tournament move. You need to have tremendous fold equity and vested interest in the pot to make this play. Rarely should you jam a draw in cash game, especially OOP. You're only getting called if you're behind, and the pot isn't significant enough. In tournament, the blinds could be like 300-600, and therefore you have great interest in taking down a 3,000 chip flop pot with aggression and outs on top of a threat of elimination for your opponent increasing the fold equity.
    It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
    Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
  5. #5
    Hmmm...that does make it tough in this situation - since the guy was just as much a chaser as a calling station - I might have been good to go with a pot bet on the turn if he was chasing, and would have been hurting if he hit something there or just had a pair that he was taking to the river.

    Thanks for the comments!

    Oh, and I agree completely about the tournament vs. ring game play as far as pushing the flop goes. I would definitely do it in a tourney when the pot is worth the move...but I am way too conservative in cash games to pull that, even as a coin-flip favorite.

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