25nl

[Greedo017]

ok, he's calling 50% preflop. you like?

$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, October 09, 00:39:34 EDT 2005
Table Table 68499 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: Erock222 ( $49.40 )
Seat 2: mankouzo ( $3.60 )
Seat 3: haaacker ( $32.30 )
Seat 4: Lizardaces ( $13.50 )
Seat 5: Wahoo2006 ( $56.10 )
Seat 7: StevemacQQ ( $12 )
Seat 8: pokr_knite ( $27.80 )
Seat 9: Berge20 ( $42 )
Seat 10: BlingPing ( $24.65 )
Wahoo2006 posts small blind [$0.10].
StevemacQQ posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Wahoo2006 [ 8s 6s ]
pokr_knite folds.
Berge20 folds.
BlingPing folds.
Erock222 folds.
mankouzo folds.
haaacker calls [$0.25].
Lizardaces folds.
Wahoo2006 calls [$0.15].
StevemacQQ raises [$0.75].
haaacker folds.
Wahoo2006 calls [$0.75].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5h, 8h, Js ]
Wahoo2006 checks.
StevemacQQ bets [$3].
Wahoo2006 calls [$3].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9d ]
Wahoo2006 checks.
StevemacQQ is all-In [$8]
Wahoo2006 calls [$8].
** Dealing River ** [ Jh ]

is check/calling here good?

[DaNutsInYoEye]

Personally I don't like pretty much any bluff in $25N, especially against someone with VP$IP of 50%. You simply don't bluff calling stations. Low limit NL is all about value betting and pushing monsters.

[Greedo017]

i didn't bluff, i flopped middle pair crap kick and called off 50BB.

[Fleece]

i like this play better with AA =\

[UG]

Fold preflop.

[Tommydx]

Yeah I see no reason to call that .75 preflop.

[Greedo017]

why not? i won't flop 1 pair often enough?

[Tommydx]

Okay, limp with anything, then call a 4xbb raise with it.

Why not?

why not? i won't flop 1 pair often enough?

Because your cards need a lot of people in the pot to justify even limping
You're geting implied odds and pot odds to chase draws. Now if he has you dominated by his virtue of playing donk hands, and you flop a pair and call his all-in when he has a better kicker that's very -EV.

Fold preflop. Making any borderline plays at $25 NL is unnecessary risk.

He's calling 50% preflop, but is he raising 50% preflop?

[Greedo017]

hmm, didn't realize so many of you would think the preflop was bad, but i disagree. he raised 10% preflop, a low enough % that he probably has something, like high cards, but much less likely that he has a high pp. when i called the 75 cents i was figuring that one pair would've been good so long as he didn't act like he hit something (and the flop was good), which he did by overbetting the pot. i was mainly posting this to show that me betting here was not as good of a play as check calling imo, and as i'm playing more 25nl again, i'm realizing that often check/calling a really crappy player is the best line to take. i don't really want to defend my hand here, because IMO as long as money is going into the pot quickly, i'd rather have him jam the pot when he's way behind than scare him off. here's another example: if i at any point after he raised to 7 bet or raised, he was gone, but i didn't so i got an extra 80BB out of him. i have another couple examples of this type of thing but i'm going to sleep and'll find them tomorrow

***** Hand History for Game 2851783290 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, October 09, 15:53:57 EDT 2005
Table Table 66235 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: Jyoung26 ( $6.45 )
Seat 3: Wahoo2006 ( $25 )
Seat 5: AFCWomble ( $16.93 )
Seat 7: samgoody23 ( $26.30 )
Seat 9: gcwynn ( $40.66 )
Seat 10: TheGreatFish ( $18.20 )
Seat 1: TeddyKGB8111 ( $9.15 )
Seat 8: Heap1 ( $24.40 )
Seat 6: GG_100Proof ( $9.25 )
Seat 4: phatrich27 ( $25.60 )
TheGreatFish posts small blind [$0.10].
TeddyKGB8111 posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Wahoo2006 [ Ah Ac ]
Jyoung26 folds.
Wahoo2006 raises [$1].
phatrich27 folds.
AFCWomble folds.
GG_100Proof folds.
samgoody23 folds.
Heap1 folds.
gcwynn calls [$1].
TheGreatFish calls [$0.90].
TeddyKGB8111 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8d, Kc, 9h ]
TheGreatFish checks.
Wahoo2006 bets [$2].
gcwynn raises [$7].
TheGreatFish folds.
Wahoo2006 calls [$5].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2d ]
Wahoo2006 checks.
gcwynn bets [$17].
Wahoo2006 is all-In.
** Dealing River ** [ Qs ]
gcwynn shows [ Js, Qc ] a pair of queens.
Wahoo2006 shows [ Ah, Ac ] a pair of aces.
Wahoo2006 wins $48.70 from the main pot with a pair of aces.

[Fleece]

hmm, didn't realize so many of you would think the preflop was bad, but i disagree. he raised 10% preflop, a low enough % that he probably has something, like high cards, but much less likely that he has a high pp. when i called the 75 cents i was figuring that one pair would've been good so long as he didn't act like he hit something (and the flop was good), which he did by overbetting the pot. i was mainly posting this to show that me betting here was not as good of a play as check calling imo, and as i'm playing more 25nl again, i'm realizing that often check/calling a really crappy player is the best line to take. i don't really want to defend my hand here, because IMO as long as money is going into the pot quickly, i'd rather have him jam the pot when he's way behind than scare him off. here's another example: if i at any point after he raised to 7 bet or raised, he was gone, but i didn't so i got an extra 80BB out of him. i have another couple examples of this type of thing but i'm going to sleep and'll find them tomorrow

***** Hand History for Game 2851783290 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, October 09, 15:53:57 EDT 2005
Table Table 66235 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: Jyoung26 ( $6.45 )
Seat 3: Wahoo2006 ( $25 )
Seat 5: AFCWomble ( $16.93 )
Seat 7: samgoody23 ( $26.30 )
Seat 9: gcwynn ( $40.66 )
Seat 10: TheGreatFish ( $18.20 )
Seat 1: TeddyKGB8111 ( $9.15 )
Seat 8: Heap1 ( $24.40 )
Seat 6: GG_100Proof ( $9.25 )
Seat 4: phatrich27 ( $25.60 )
TheGreatFish posts small blind [$0.10].
TeddyKGB8111 posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Wahoo2006 [ Ah Ac ]
Jyoung26 folds.
Wahoo2006 raises [$1].
phatrich27 folds.
AFCWomble folds.
GG_100Proof folds.
samgoody23 folds.
Heap1 folds.
gcwynn calls [$1].
TheGreatFish calls [$0.90].
TeddyKGB8111 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8d, Kc, 9h ]
TheGreatFish checks.
Wahoo2006 bets [$2].
gcwynn raises [$7].
TheGreatFish folds.
Wahoo2006 calls [$5].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2d ]
Wahoo2006 checks.
gcwynn bets [$17].
Wahoo2006 is all-In.
** Dealing River ** [ Qs ]
gcwynn shows [ Js, Qc ] a pair of queens.
Wahoo2006 shows [ Ah, Ac ] a pair of aces.
Wahoo2006 wins $48.70 from the main pot with a pair of aces.

hence my comment i like this play better with AA. mid pair is nothing u should be slowplaying even against a fish

[Greedo017]

i don't really consider it a slowplay when he's betting so fast. both hands AI on the turn isn't very slow.

[CrunchyNuts]

This is taking "weak is strong and strong is weak" to a whole new level. Calling off 50BB with middle pair? I sure hope he wasn't overbetting on value...I could surely see AJ/KJ doing that.

[Tim Vecchioni]

the 8/6 i know why you called preflop but we wont get into that..the post flop play wasnt to good... your flopped middle pair is no longer middle pair when you check/callt he all in...let alone the pot wasnt worth the call...