AK Hand

[sejje]

You guys play this differently? Bet the river? Was the turn too weak?

Read on SB is very LAG preflop, slows down on the turn. He's not leading this hand, though.

***** Hand History for Game 2867152728 *****
$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, October 12, 19:44:14 EDT 2005
Table Table 66542 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: wires8 ( $178.45 )
Seat 4: MannoR ( $206.75 )
Seat 6: shiftey2004 ( $107.80 )
Seat 3: Phader ( $157.58 )
Seat 5: DrTsunami ( $163.25 )
Seat 2: cviddy ( $56.50 )
MannoR posts small blind [$0.50].
DrTsunami is sitting out.
shiftey2004 posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to shiftey2004 [ Kc Ac ]
wires8 calls [$1].
cviddy calls [$1].
Phader folds.
DrTsunami has left the table.
MannoR calls [$0.50].
shiftey2004 raises [$3].
>You have options at Table 67011 Table!.
wires8 calls [$3].
cviddy calls [$3].
MannoR calls [$3].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5d, 8d, 7h ]
MannoR checks.
shiftey2004 bets [$9].
wires8 folds.
cviddy folds.
MannoR calls [$9].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3c ]
MannoR checks.
shiftey2004 bets [$12].
MannoR calls [$12].
** Dealing River ** [ 5c ]
MannoR checks.
shiftey2004 checks.
MannoR shows [ 6c, 3d ] two pairs, fives and threes.
shiftey2004 doesn't show [ Kc, Ac ] a pair of fives.
MannoR wins $56 from the main pot with two pairs, fives and threes.

[bair]

i make it 5 or 6 total preflop

[r8ed]

Wow. This person has no concept of pot odds or money. I'm sure you thought he hit a set or somehow had the str8 when he called the turn.

[silverfist]

Yikes. I think you played this just fine. Just play a few more hands against this guy and get your money back. He's crazy.

[Tommydx]

Raise more preflop.

[Fnord]

Pre-flop: I could go either way. I don't like to define my hand like that out of position. It just sets us up to blast away on all 3 streets.
Flop: A check wouln't be horrible, then call the inevitiable under-bet.
Turn: You stole position on the flop, this is an easy check behind.

Wow. This person has no concept of pot odds or money. I'm sure you thought he hit a set or somehow had the str8 when he called the turn.

There is a re-occuring trend on this board to over-estimate the awefullness of our opponent's post-flop play based on their pre-flop hand selection.

[Blinky]

Tough play preflop. If you raise, you gotta raise more with so many limpers. With so many limpers I might just see the flop for free.

I don't cbet the (relatively ugly) flop, especially 4-handed.

And I must be listening to Fnord more because I agree about the opp play. He made a pretty common mistake PF (and one I'm sure we've all made before), but his calls after that are not totally beyond reason. Someone here has a great sig about arrogance (or underestimating opponents) being a cardinal sin in poker.

It doesn't seem like the opp was a strong player, but let's check the math...
I think we all agree the PF call was bad. But it was done. The flop for the opp isn't bad.

FLOP:

Oesd; 8 outs/47 cards = 17% chance of winning
this discounts the fact that the 3 and 6 are both live but this is not an unreasonable assumption.

Call: $9 to win $30 = 30% pot contribution. This is a bad call on pot odds but could be justified by implied odds. In fact, the poster's turn bet confirms those implied odds.

TURN:
OESD (8 outs), plus trip 3s (2 outs), plus two pair (3 more outs). I count 13 outs.

13 outs/46 cards = 28% chance to draw out.

Call: $12 to win $44 pot= 27% pot contribution. Fully justified for pot odds.

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Now if only I could do that during a hand...