KK and JJ with ace and queen on flop.

[Iwind]

Stage #208666535: Holdem No Limit $0.10 - 2005-10-20 04:30:00 (ET)
Table: CITADEL LN. (Real Money) Seat #2 is the dealer
Seat 2 - 378FOLD ($10.25 in chips)
Seat 3 - ZHANGSHAN005 ($8.10 in chips)
Seat 4 - MAKEGOOD ($16.35 in chips)
Seat 5 - ZBLASTER ($16.95 in chips)
Seat 6 - POKERDERR ($32.99 in chips)
Seat 7 - POLLOCK ($8.90 in chips)
Seat 8 - IWIND ($41.05 in chips)
Seat 9 - TAHOE HO ($27.45 in chips)
ZHANGSHAN005 - Posts small blind $0.10
MAKEGOOD - Posts big blind $0.25
TAHOE HO - Posts dead $0.35 dead $0.10
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to IWIND [Jc Jd]
ZBLASTER - Calls $0.25
POKERDERR - Calls $0.25
POLLOCK - Folds
IWIND - Raises $1.75 to $1.75
TAHOE HO - Folds
378FOLD - Folds
ZHANGSHAN005 - Folds
MAKEGOOD - Folds
ZBLASTER - Folds
POKERDERR - Calls $1.50
*** FLOP *** [Qh 8c 5c]
POKERDERR - Checks
IWIND - Bets $3.50
POKERDERR - Calls $3.50
*** TURN *** [Qh 8c 5c] [4s]
POKERDERR - Checks
IWIND - Bets $2.50
POKERDERR - Calls $2.50
*** RIVER *** [Qh 8c 5c 4s] [10d]
POKERDERR - Checks
IWIND - Checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***

POKERDERR - Shows [Qc Ad] (One pair, queens)
IWIND - Mucks
POKERDERR Collects $15.65 from main pot



Stage #208663508: Holdem No Limit $0.10 - 2005-10-20 04:16:53 (ET)
Table: CITADEL LN. (Real Money) Seat #6 is the dealer
Seat 6 - POKERDERR ($33.59 in chips)
Seat 8 - IWIND ($28.75 in chips)
Seat 9 - TAHOE HO ($31.95 in chips)
Seat 1 - CHADALAN ($9.60 in chips)
Seat 2 - 378FOLD ($10.95 in chips)
Seat 3 - ZHANGSHAN005 ($5.70 in chips)
Seat 4 - MAKEGOOD ($15.15 in chips)
Seat 5 - ZBLASTER ($17.70 in chips)
IWIND - Posts small blind $0.10
TAHOE HO - Posts big blind $0.25
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to IWIND [Ks Kd]
CHADALAN - Folds
378FOLD - Folds
ZHANGSHAN005 - Folds
MAKEGOOD - Folds
ZBLASTER - Folds
POKERDERR - Raises $0.50 to $0.50
IWIND - Raises $1.15 to $1.25
TAHOE HO - Folds
POKERDERR - Calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [As 2s Qh]
IWIND - Checks
POKERDERR - Bets $1
IWIND - Calls $1
*** TURN *** [As 2s Qh] [8d]
IWIND - Checks
POKERDERR - Bets $1
IWIND - Raises $3 to $3
POKERDERR - Calls $2
*** RIVER *** [As 2s Qh 8d] [4c]
IWIND - Checks
POKERDERR - Checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***

IWIND - Shows [Ks Kd] (One pair, kings)
POKERDERR - Shows [Ad 7h] (One pair, aces)
POKERDERR Collects $10.25 from main pot



Two of the last situations when there have been a higher card on flop when I have a nice pocket pair like JJ and KK. What hands would you put this guy on, and is there anything I should have done differently? Results are in white.

[Rondavu]

Hand 1) Check behind on the turn
Hand 2) Fine

[PokerPatNEU]

Your pre flop raises are enormous for 25 NL. Do you get action with your raising hands often?

JJ hand: You can't bet less on the turn then you do on the flop. The fact that he called your pot sized flop bet after calling a 7x pre flop raise means he has JJ completely wrecked by the time the turn comes. Check/fold at this point because you are drawing on two outs 90% of the time.

KK hand: Why raise the turn and not the flop? You can find out if your opponent has an ace by raising to 3$ on the flop instead of calling the flop then raising the turn, and save a dollar doing it. Plus a check raise on this flop is a really strong move and you might even get him to lay down A7 (unlikely since he looks like a pretty serious fish with that min raise, but maybe).

[Iwind]

My raises depend on my position and raises before me, I raised so much with the jacks as I already had two callers before me and I'd prefer to take the pot without a flop, or at least with as few people in the flop as possible.

With the kings I had a raise before me.

My usual raise is 3-5big blinds and I don't really think that's enormous. The jacks was a special situation, sometimes 3-4 players call a 4-5big blind raise and I didn't want that.