2 pair is never the nuts..

[johnny_fish]

No reads, I 3-table.

** Game ID 547824274 starting - 2005-10-20 01:17:20
** Daddy Longlegs [Hold 'em] (0.10|0.20 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- viruz10 sitting in seat 1 with $20.00
- Vengerov sitting in seat 2 with $17.70
- swampsterjy sitting in seat 3 with $9.03
- johnny291281 sitting in seat 4 with $20.10
- Spiko sitting in seat 5 with $41.03 [Dealer]
- cezar2000 sitting in seat 6 with $23.25
- Vitellus sitting in seat 7 with $43.21
- Jelix sitting in seat 8 with $10.85
- labbie sitting in seat 9 with $15.53 [Sitting out]
- Chillidog sitting in seat 10 with $8.20

cezar2000 posted the small blind - $0.10
Vitellus posted the big blind - $0.20
** Dealing card to johnny291281: 10 of Diamonds, 9 of Clubs
Jelix raised - $0.40
Chillidog folded
viruz10 folded
Vengerov folded
swampsterjy folded
johnny291281 called - $0.40
Spiko called - $0.40
cezar2000 called - $0.40
Vitellus folded

** Dealing the flop: 8 of Spades, 10 of Hearts, 9 of Diamonds
cezar2000 checked
Jelix checked
johnny291281 bet - $2.00
Spiko folded
cezar2000 raised - $4.00
Jelix folded
johnny291281 raised - $10.00
cezar2000 raised - $22.00
johnny291281 went all-in - $9.70

I interpreted the minraise as weak, so I reraised pretty hard. Then I realized I was pot committed

Any thoughts are appreciated.

[Demiparadigm]

fold preflop.

[Greedo017]

fold preflop.

[Muxy]

fold preflop.

[CrunchyNuts]

fold preflop

Then I realized I was pot committed

There's no such thing. If you're sure you're beaten and you do not have odds to improve, you do not have to put the money in the middle.

[DogOnMySide]

I hate the saying "pot committed"

What does it mean? Why are you committed to the pot? Psychologically, maybe... but not in game terms.

I think what it actually means is "oh shit i might have lost this, but there's no way i'm being left with just a few bucks and never knowing his hand - i'd rather go broke"

[johnny_fish]

Normally I fold pf, but I'm trying to loose up in position lately, so I can improve postflop play and maybe even get paid off more on big hands. But then it's still a bad call I guess. Tnx.

About the pot committed thing, I mean I had to put in 10$ more to win 40$ which is ~25%. I had 4 outs for the boat (~17%), plus the remote possibility that I actually had the best hand (AT?), so I called.

I probably should have called his minraise, but then the turn would be tricky too..

(Result: He showed Q8 and I won the pot. )

[Fnord]

Board: 8s Th 9d
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 82.9582 % 82.03% 00.92% { TT-88, QJs, QJo }
Hand 2: 17.0418 % 16.12% 00.92% { Td9c }

Toss in the Pacific donk factor, and yes virginia, he's pot-struck.