Did I do anything wrong? Or does god just hate me?

[ProZachNation]

Ok I built up to 3k(starting hand 1.5k) by the 3rd hand of this SnG. And just stole a lota blinds and stuff to get up to where I was. I had great reads on every player left and knew I was gona go on to win it or hit a bad hand and lose it heads up but heres what happened!
This is in about the length of ten hands delt to me the rest I folded.

Stage #230713569 Tourney ID 45813 Holdem Single Tournament No Limit $100 - 2005-11-05 20:52:32 (ET)
Table: 3952676 (Real Money) Seat #7 is the dealer
Seat 2 - CANUDIGIT ($4060 in chips)
Seat 4 - POKERMSTR2 ($1265 in chips)
Seat 5 - BIGAS7 ($795 in chips)
Seat 6 - PROZACHNATIO ($5095 in chips)
Seat 7 - BAYQWEST ($2285 in chips)
CANUDIGIT - Posts small blind $100
POKERMSTR2 - Posts big blind $200
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to PROZACHNATIO [Jd Qd]
BIGAS7 - Folds
PROZACHNATIO - Calls $200
BAYQWEST - Folds
CANUDIGIT - Calls $100
POKERMSTR2 - Checks
*** FLOP *** [Qc 3s 5s]
CANUDIGIT - Checks
POKERMSTR2 - Checks
PROZACHNATIO - Bets $400
CANUDIGIT - Folds
POKERMSTR2 - Calls $400
*** TURN *** [Qc 3s 5s] [8c]
POKERMSTR2 - Checks
PROZACHNATIO - Bets $600
POKERMSTR2 - All-In(Raise) $665 to $665
PROZACHNATIO - Calls $65
*** RIVER *** [Qc 3s 5s 8c] [6c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
POKERMSTR2 - Shows [5c 6d] (Two Pairs, sixes and fives)
PROZACHNATIO - Shows [Jd Qd] (One pair, queens)
POKERMSTR2 Collects $2730 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($2730)
Board [Qc 3s 5s 8c 6c]
Seat 2: CANUDIGIT (small blind) Folded on the FLOP
Seat 4: POKERMSTR2 (big blind) won Total ($2730) All-In HI$2730) with Two Pairs, sixes and fives [5c 6d - P:6d,B:6c,B:5s,P:5c,B:Qc]
Seat 5: BIGAS7 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: PROZACHNATIO HI:lost with One pair, queens [Jd Qd - P:Qd,B:Qc,P:Jd,B:8c,B:6c]
Seat 7: BAYQWEST (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS


Stage #230715496 Tourney ID 45813 Holdem Single Tournament No Limit $150 - 2005-11-05 20:54:58 (ET)
Table: 3952676 (Real Money) Seat #7 is the dealer
Seat 2 - CANUDIGIT ($4160 in chips)
Seat 4 - POKERMSTR2 ($2580 in chips)
Seat 5 - BIGAS7 ($1245 in chips)
Seat 6 - PROZACHNATIO ($3830 in chips)
Seat 7 - BAYQWEST ($1685 in chips)
CANUDIGIT - Posts small blind $150
POKERMSTR2 - Posts big blind $300
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to PROZACHNATIO [Kc Ad]
BIGAS7 - Calls $300
PROZACHNATIO - Raises $900 to $900
BAYQWEST - Folds
CANUDIGIT - Folds
POKERMSTR2 - Calls $600
BIGAS7 - Calls $600
*** FLOP *** [Jd 4s 10h]
POKERMSTR2 - Checks
BIGAS7 - All-In $345
PROZACHNATIO - Calls $345
POKERMSTR2 - Folds
*** TURN *** [Jd 4s 10h] [5h]
*** RIVER *** [Jd 4s 10h 5h] [9c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
BIGAS7 - Shows [Qd Kd] (Straight, nine to king)
PROZACHNATIO - Shows [Kc Ad] (ace high)
BIGAS7 Collects $3540 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($3540)
Board [Jd 4s 10h 5h 9c]
Seat 2: CANUDIGIT (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: POKERMSTR2 (big blind) Folded on the FLOP
Seat 5: BIGAS7 won Total ($3540) All-In HI$3540) with Straight, nine to king [Qd Kd - P:Kd,P:Qd,B:Jd,B:10h,B:9c]
Seat 6: PROZACHNATIO HI:lost with ace high [Kc Ad - P:Ad,P:Kc,B:Jd,B:10h,B:9c]
Seat 7: BAYQWEST (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS

Stage #230718684 Tourney ID 45813 Holdem Single Tournament No Limit $200 - 2005-11-05 20:58:53 (ET)
Table: 3952676 (Real Money) Seat #2 is the dealer
Seat 2 - CANUDIGIT ($3710 in chips)
Seat 4 - POKERMSTR2 ($1080 in chips)
Seat 5 - BIGAS7 ($3540 in chips)
Seat 6 - PROZACHNATIO ($2735 in chips)
Seat 7 - BAYQWEST ($2435 in chips)
POKERMSTR2 - Posts small blind $200
BIGAS7 - Posts big blind $400
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to PROZACHNATIO [Jc As]
PROZACHNATIO - Calls $400
BAYQWEST - Folds
CANUDIGIT - Folds
POKERMSTR2 - Calls $200
BIGAS7 - Checks
*** FLOP *** [5d 7d 4d]
POKERMSTR2 - All-In $680
BIGAS7 - Folds
PROZACHNATIO - Calls $680
*** TURN *** [5d 7d 4d] [9h]
*** RIVER *** [5d 7d 4d 9h] [Jd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
POKERMSTR2 - Shows [2d 8c] (Flush, jack high)
PROZACHNATIO - Shows [Jc As] (One pair, jacks)
POKERMSTR2 Collects $2560 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($2560)
Board [5d 7d 4d 9h Jd]
Seat 2: CANUDIGIT (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: POKERMSTR2 (small blind) won Total ($2560) All-In HI$2560) with Flush, jack high [2d 8c - B:Jd,B:7d,B:5d,B:4d,P:2d]
Seat 5: BIGAS7 (big blind) Folded on the FLOP
Seat 6: PROZACHNATIO HI:lost with One pair, jacks [Jc As - B:Jd,P:Jc,P:As,B:9h,B:7d]
Seat 7: BAYQWEST Folded on the POCKET CARDS

Stage #230719122 Tourney ID 45813 Holdem Single Tournament No Limit $200 - 2005-11-05 20:59:29 (ET)
Table: 3952676 (Real Money) Seat #4 is the dealer
Seat 2 - CANUDIGIT ($3710 in chips)
Seat 4 - POKERMSTR2 ($2560 in chips)
Seat 5 - BIGAS7 ($3140 in chips)
Seat 6 - PROZACHNATIO ($1655 in chips)
Seat 7 - BAYQWEST ($2435 in chips)
BIGAS7 - Posts small blind $200
PROZACHNATIO - Posts big blind $400
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to PROZACHNATIO [As Kd]
BAYQWEST - Folds
CANUDIGIT - Raises $800 to $800
POKERMSTR2 - Folds
BIGAS7 - Folds
PROZACHNATIO - All-In(Raise) $1255 to $1655
CANUDIGIT - Calls $855
*** FLOP *** [4d 5d Qh]
*** TURN *** [4d 5d Qh] [5s]
*** RIVER *** [4d 5d Qh 5s] [2c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
CANUDIGIT - Shows [Qc Ac] (Two Pairs, queens and fives)
PROZACHNATIO - Shows [As Kd] (One pair, fives)
CANUDIGIT Collects $3510 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($3510)
Board [4d 5d Qh 5s 2c]
Seat 2: CANUDIGIT won Total ($3510) HI$3510) with Two Pairs, queens and fives [Qc Ac - B:Qh,P:Qc,B:5s,B:5d,P:Ac]
Seat 4: POKERMSTR2 (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: BIGAS7 (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: PROZACHNATIO (big blind) HI:lost with One pair, fives [As Kd - B:5s,B:5d,P:As,P:Kd,B:Qh]
Seat 7: BAYQWEST Folded on the POCKET CARDS

[vqc]

Ok I built up to 3k(starting hand 1.5k) by the 3rd hand of this SnG. And just stole a lota blinds and stuff to get up to where I was. I had great reads on every player left and knew I was gona go on to win it or hit a bad hand and lose it heads up but heres what happened!

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with the converter like that im inclined to believe that God hates you.

[ProZachNation]

Fixed Ill clean it up,

[ekillian]

Stage #230713569 Tourney ID 45813 Holdem Single Tournament No Limit $100 - 2005-11-05 20:52:32 (ET)
Table: 3952676 (Real Money) Seat #7 is the dealer
Seat 2 - CANUDIGIT ($4060 in chips)
Seat 4 - POKERMSTR2 ($1265 in chips)
Seat 5 - BIGAS7 ($795 in chips)
Seat 6 - PROZACHNATIO ($5095 in chips)
Seat 7 - BAYQWEST ($2285 in chips)
CANUDIGIT - Posts small blind $100
POKERMSTR2 - Posts big blind $200
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to PROZACHNATIO [Jd Qd]
BIGAS7 - Folds
PROZACHNATIO - Calls $200
BAYQWEST - Folds
CANUDIGIT - Calls $100
POKERMSTR2 - Checks
*** FLOP *** [Qc 3s 5s]
CANUDIGIT - Checks
POKERMSTR2 - Checks
PROZACHNATIO - Bets $400
CANUDIGIT - Folds
POKERMSTR2 - Calls $400
*** TURN *** [Qc 3s 5s] [8c]
POKERMSTR2 - Checks
PROZACHNATIO - Bets $600
POKERMSTR2 - All-In(Raise) $665 to $665
PROZACHNATIO - Calls $65
*** RIVER *** [Qc 3s 5s 8c] [6c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
POKERMSTR2 - Shows [5c 6d] (Two Pairs, sixes and fives)
PROZACHNATIO - Shows [Jd Qd] (One pair, queens)
POKERMSTR2 Collects $2730 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($2730)
Board [Qc 3s 5s 8c 6c]
Seat 2: CANUDIGIT (small blind) Folded on the FLOP
Seat 4: POKERMSTR2 (big blind) won Total ($2730) All-In HI$2730) with Two Pairs, sixes and fives [5c 6d - P:6d,B:6c,B:5s,P:5c,B:Qc]
Seat 5: BIGAS7 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: PROZACHNATIO HI:lost with One pair, queens [Jd Qd - P:Qd,B:Qc,P:Jd,B:8c,B:6c]
Seat 7: BAYQWEST (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS

You could raise this preflop. Other wise it's just a bad beat.


Stage #230715496 Tourney ID 45813 Holdem Single Tournament No Limit $150 - 2005-11-05 20:54:58 (ET)
Table: 3952676 (Real Money) Seat #7 is the dealer
Seat 2 - CANUDIGIT ($4160 in chips)
Seat 4 - POKERMSTR2 ($2580 in chips)
Seat 5 - BIGAS7 ($1245 in chips)
Seat 6 - PROZACHNATIO ($3830 in chips)
Seat 7 - BAYQWEST ($1685 in chips)
CANUDIGIT - Posts small blind $150
POKERMSTR2 - Posts big blind $300
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to PROZACHNATIO [Kc Ad]
BIGAS7 - Calls $300
PROZACHNATIO - Raises $900 to $900
BAYQWEST - Folds
CANUDIGIT - Folds
POKERMSTR2 - Calls $600
BIGAS7 - Calls $600
*** FLOP *** [Jd 4s 10h]
POKERMSTR2 - Checks
BIGAS7 - All-In $345
PROZACHNATIO - Calls $345
POKERMSTR2 - Folds
*** TURN *** [Jd 4s 10h] [5h]
*** RIVER *** [Jd 4s 10h 5h] [9c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
BIGAS7 - Shows [Qd Kd] (Straight, nine to king)
PROZACHNATIO - Shows [Kc Ad] (ace high)
BIGAS7 Collects $3540 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($3540)
Board [Jd 4s 10h 5h 9c]
Seat 2: CANUDIGIT (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: POKERMSTR2 (big blind) Folded on the FLOP
Seat 5: BIGAS7 won Total ($3540) All-In HI$3540) with Straight, nine to king [Qd Kd - P:Kd,P:Qd,B:Jd,B:10h,B:9c]
Seat 6: PROZACHNATIO HI:lost with ace high [Kc Ad - P:Ad,P:Kc,B:Jd,B:10h,B:9c]
Seat 7: BAYQWEST (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS

Push preflop. You lose a good portion of your stack if you raise standard and then miss a flop and fold anyways, so you're likely gonna be calling a flop bet from behind. Definite push. You have no room to work.

Stage #230718684 Tourney ID 45813 Holdem Single Tournament No Limit $200 - 2005-11-05 20:58:53 (ET)
Table: 3952676 (Real Money) Seat #2 is the dealer
Seat 2 - CANUDIGIT ($3710 in chips)
Seat 4 - POKERMSTR2 ($1080 in chips)
Seat 5 - BIGAS7 ($3540 in chips)
Seat 6 - PROZACHNATIO ($2735 in chips)
Seat 7 - BAYQWEST ($2435 in chips)
POKERMSTR2 - Posts small blind $200
BIGAS7 - Posts big blind $400
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to PROZACHNATIO [Jc As]
PROZACHNATIO - Calls $400
BAYQWEST - Folds
CANUDIGIT - Folds
POKERMSTR2 - Calls $200
BIGAS7 - Checks
*** FLOP *** [5d 7d 4d]
POKERMSTR2 - All-In $680
BIGAS7 - Folds
PROZACHNATIO - Calls $680
*** TURN *** [5d 7d 4d] [9h]
*** RIVER *** [5d 7d 4d 9h] [Jd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
POKERMSTR2 - Shows [2d 8c] (Flush, jack high)
PROZACHNATIO - Shows [Jc As] (One pair, jacks)
POKERMSTR2 Collects $2560 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($2560)
Board [5d 7d 4d 9h Jd]
Seat 2: CANUDIGIT (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: POKERMSTR2 (small blind) won Total ($2560) All-In HI$2560) with Flush, jack high [2d 8c - B:Jd,B:7d,B:5d,B:4d,P:2d]
Seat 5: BIGAS7 (big blind) Folded on the FLOP
Seat 6: PROZACHNATIO HI:lost with One pair, jacks [Jc As - B:Jd,P:Jc,P:As,B:9h,B:7d]
Seat 7: BAYQWEST Folded on the POCKET CARDS

Push. You probably have the best hand and just a few big blinds. Win the blinds, fuckin excellent.

Stage #230719122 Tourney ID 45813 Holdem Single Tournament No Limit $200 - 2005-11-05 20:59:29 (ET)
Table: 3952676 (Real Money) Seat #4 is the dealer
Seat 2 - CANUDIGIT ($3710 in chips)
Seat 4 - POKERMSTR2 ($2560 in chips)
Seat 5 - BIGAS7 ($3140 in chips)
Seat 6 - PROZACHNATIO ($1655 in chips)
Seat 7 - BAYQWEST ($2435 in chips)
BIGAS7 - Posts small blind $200
PROZACHNATIO - Posts big blind $400
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to PROZACHNATIO [As Kd]
BAYQWEST - Folds
CANUDIGIT - Raises $800 to $800
POKERMSTR2 - Folds
BIGAS7 - Folds
PROZACHNATIO - All-In(Raise) $1255 to $1655
CANUDIGIT - Calls $855
*** FLOP *** [4d 5d Qh]
*** TURN *** [4d 5d Qh] [5s]
*** RIVER *** [4d 5d Qh 5s] [2c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
CANUDIGIT - Shows [Qc Ac] (Two Pairs, queens and fives)
PROZACHNATIO - Shows [As Kd] (One pair, fives)
CANUDIGIT Collects $3510 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($3510)
Board [4d 5d Qh 5s 2c]
Seat 2: CANUDIGIT won Total ($3510) HI$3510) with Two Pairs, queens and fives [Qc Ac - B:Qh,P:Qc,B:5s,B:5d,P:Ac]
Seat 4: POKERMSTR2 (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: BIGAS7 (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: PROZACHNATIO (big blind) HI:lost with One pair, fives [As Kd - B:5s,B:5d,P:As,P:Kd,B:Qh]
Seat 7: BAYQWEST Folded on the POCKET CARDS

Hey answer me this about the last hand... Did you play it wrong or just get unlucky? ...You know you just got unlucky here.

[ProZachNation]

The 2nd hand I did push preflop, and got called which put the guy pretty much all-in.

So I should be pushing QJ suited acting 2nd with 2 more guys to act? I know I beat the random hand but it seems like a good push of at least 4XBB is more than a 3rd of my stack right there. And with two more guys left to act Im not sure.

THanks for the help tho keep it coming?

And in your guys opinions was there a way I could have avoided this or was it just random variance because maybe its my style of play and I have good reads but it seems like guys are always catching cards on me on the river and turn to beat me when I push whem I am ahead. Is it just that I know when to fold so I dont have the opurtunity to give a bad beat or out draw somone?

[ekillian]

Second Hand
Seat 6 - PROZACHNATIO ($3830 in chips)

Dealt to PROZACHNATIO [Kc Ad]
BIGAS7 - Calls $300
PROZACHNATIO - Raises $900 to $900

how is this pushing?

The JQ hand I in know way suggested pushing. Do you see the difference between the blinds here and the blinds later???? You have 5k+. 25+ BBs! Here you don't have to push. But I suggest raising or folding unless you're ok with playing a small pot. But if you are be ready for shit to happen to you. And also why limp it to play a small pot when you'll end up playing it for a big pot anyways? If you're gonna play your top pair hard then raise with it.


Yes there's a way you can avoid this. Secong hand, Push preflop with AK. Maybe KQ calls, maybe not (hopefully yes). I don't see anything that suggests you pushed so I dunno why you said you did. Don't limp preflop with AJ in the second to last hand. [/b]

[MAX]

There is a common theme to what I think you could have done better-

1st hand: If your gonna play it, raise it to 3bb preflop. Losing to the bb56 is the reason why you have to raise it if your gonna play here, he would not have put half his stack in w/56 and you are certainly making him play for the rest of his stack on that flop if he does.

2nd hand: Push(this means going all in) and take the 750 in the pot preflop. If they call, fine- you get to see all 5 cards and try to pair up. If not, even better. 750 uncontested.

3rd hand: There is 600 chips out there, push all in and take em. You don't have enough to make a reasonable raise without putting half your stack in.

4th: nh (ironic that you played this one perfectly and lost but that's poker)

[Scuba Chuck]

God doesn't hate you if that clears anything up for you. But there are clearly some flaws in your poker.

Hand 1. Fold.
Hand 2. Act first. This is general poker advice. If HU, and you intend to call on a draw anyhow, you should always bet first, as you might win the pot right now. The only reason not to be first, is because you're afraid your opponent might fold to your monster.
Hand 3. Raise to 1200 or more. Otherwise you're just leaking chips. Your hand has strength preflop, not postflop. Do not give infinite odds.
Hand 4. Standard

There is a common theme in your post. You seem to like to put yourself in situations to give your chips away. Hand 1 and 3 are obvious signs.

[ekillian]

Scuba why fold from the cutoff with his huge stack?
Hand 2 your advice to him makes no sense. Act first? He can't pick who acts first and he does act aggressively. But not aggressively enough
Hand 3 he has 6 BBsish and you want him to rais to 1200? Half his stack leaving him with 3 big blinds? It's a push.

Ummm you gave some really awful advice.

[ekillian]

Oh and yes "push" means moving all in.

[ProZachNation]

Yeah, ok I can see some of my mistakes in here. I think even tho I did make mistakes a lot of this was unavoiadable, but maybe could have been avoided by pusing instead of just making a good size raise to steal the blinds.

Thanks guys

[ekillian]

Umm it wasn't unavoidable. Don't feel sorry for yourself and say that your mistakes didn't cost you. They did. Also If in the first three hands you had jammed (moved all in) and gotten callers (I do not advocate jamming the first hand though I'd advocate raising it to 600) If you had jammed the RNG would've had different factors with which to choose the random cards and you would've been ahead everytime. And you can't think that "those cards would've come down anyways".

[Scuba Chuck]

a lot of this was unavoiadable, but maybe could have been avoided by pusing instead of just making a good size raise to steal the blinds.

Thanks guys

Nothing like being results oriented.

[ProZachNation]

Care to expand upon that I dont get what you mean Scuba.

[Scuba Chuck]

Scuba why fold from the cutoff with his huge stack?
Hand 2 your advice to him makes no sense. Act first? He can't pick who acts first and he does act aggressively. But not aggressively enough
Hand 3 he has 6 BBsish and you want him to rais to 1200? Half his stack leaving him with 3 big blinds? It's a push.

Ummm you gave some really awful advice.

Wow, nice balls cojack.

Hand 1: He can raise too. Or fold. What he did was terrible. My thoughts were about his pre HH comments. Regardless, he is being results oriented. He got what he wanted. Pokermaster gave him the opportunity to stack him with a 15% chance of winning.

Hand 2. I misread the HH, I thought he checked first. So yes, absolutely, horrible advice.

Hand 3: At these blinds, the raise size is irrelevant. If you're stuck at analyzing hands based on BBs at this stage, you've being anal. Furthermore, I don't adjust my style based on whether my hand has stealing value and going to the felt value. Furthermore, if, for some reason our hero had 3 BBs at this blind level, it's not the end of the earth. So if you think raising to 1200 is bad advice, then so be it. Good soap box to be on.

[ekillian]

Scuba why fold from the cutoff with his huge stack?
Hand 2 your advice to him makes no sense. Act first? He can't pick who acts first and he does act aggressively. But not aggressively enough
Hand 3 he has 6 BBsish and you want him to rais to 1200? Half his stack leaving him with 3 big blinds? It's a push.

Ummm you gave some really awful advice.

Wow, nice balls cojack.

Hand 1: He can raise too. Or fold. What he did was terrible. My thoughts were about his pre HH comments. Regardless, he is being results oriented. He got what he wanted. Pokermaster gave him the opportunity to stack him with a 15% chance of winning.

Hand 2. I misread the HH, I thought he checked first. So yes, absolutely, horrible advice.

Hand 3: At these blinds, the raise size is irrelevant. If you're stuck at analyzing hands based on BBs at this stage, you've being anal. Furthermore, I don't adjust my style based on whether my hand has stealing value and going to the felt value. Furthermore, if, for some reason our hero had 3 BBs at this blind level, it's not the end of the earth. So if you think raising to 1200 is bad advice, then so be it. Good soap box to be on.

You're sensitive. We agree that he's being results oriented.
And you agree that he can raise the JQ hand so we don't have much to argue about there.
Hand 2. You reread and agreed with me.
Hand 3. You say the raise size is irrelevant? You think a bet that shows that you may or may not fold is the same as bet that makes it impossible for you to fold? If he's stealing here he's also pushing. If he plays a hand he has to play it all the way. With the stacks how they are this is a situation where I'm not gonna be bluffing. I'm gonna be pushing hands that I think I can get a race or better. Honestly you're being results oriented to say that a 1200 raise is the not worse than an all-in. In this case a 1200 chip raise would've accomplished the same thing. Give your opponents different hands and it may not. Regardless you have a drawing hand and you want to see 5 cards.

[Scuba Chuck]

Hand 3. You say the raise size is irrelevant? You think a bet that shows that you may or may not fold is the same as bet that makes it impossible for you to fold? If he's stealing here he's also pushing. If he plays a hand he has to play it all the way. With the stacks how they are this is a situation where I'm not gonna be bluffing. I'm gonna be pushing hands that I think I can get a race or better. Honestly you're being results oriented to say that a 1200 raise is the not worse than an all-in. In this case a 1200 chip raise would've accomplished the same thing. Give your opponents different hands and it may not. Regardless you have a drawing hand and you want to see 5 cards.

You're kidding me right? If someone wants to play back at me with this hand and these blinds, great. I welcome it.

[ekillian]

Sure there's nothing wrong with them playing back at you preflop. But how much will you love it when they push on the flop after you caught air? Which will be most of the time when you see a flop.

[konahead]

dude got sucked out on by the river on the first two hands, which is called "thats poker".

1st hand - nothin wrong with limping here if you think you can see a cheap flop (which he did) and had the best hand - bet it well, got calls from a worse hand, and got sucked out on the river - "thats poker"

2nd hand - he raised aggressively preflop and got called by a worse hand. Caller pushes on flop to the tune of 345, giving hero 8-1 pot odds so he calls - and hero gets sucked out on the river - "thats poker"

3rd hand - should have pf raised to 1200 or pushed. Should have folded to flop bet with no diamonds in his hand.

4th hand - nothin you can do about that - "thats poker"

I dont think he played hands 1 and 2 badly at all - mostly it was just bad luck, and 9 times out of ten he will win the first two hands... Y'all really want him to bet differently for the times that he gets sucked out on? Talk about being results oriented....

[ekillian]

We aren't results oriented. Raising preflop with JQ eliminates the guy getting wrapped up in his hand and sucking out. Sure it eliminates the chance to KO him when the hand plays like this and you don't get sucked out on, but you raise just to avoid that. He doesn't know where his opponent stands on this hand. A lot of opponents will only put all their chips in if they have TP mediocre kicker beat.

The problem with hand 2 is he gave his opponent a chance to get lucky. In the long term you don't want to be putting yourself in situations where you're calling off chips post flop with overs and hoping they have air. A lot of the time they won't and a portion of the time that they have crap they'll suck out.
HOW ARE WE BEING RESULTS ORIENTED?
He gives himself easy chances to get sucked out on the flop in hand 1,2,3. That's what he needs to avoid. He could've just as easily been calling all-in against opponents who had bottom pair in hand 2 and hand 3. And in hand one he set himself up to fucked over preflop. Sure you can take a "that's poker approach" but if you do so then don't ask about the hand. My answer was an attempt to eradicate that look at the hand. It doesn't have to be like that.

[Scuba Chuck]

Sure there's nothing wrong with them playing back at you preflop. But how much will you love it when they push on the flop after you caught air? Which will be most of the time when you see a flop.

Do you know a stop n go move when you see one? I call them all the time.

[lamaros]

Hand one: raise or fold pf. 3-4xbb.

Hand two: push pf.

Hand three: push pf.

Hand four: unlucky.

[ekillian]

Sure there's nothing wrong with them playing back at you preflop. But how much will you love it when they push on the flop after you caught air? Which will be most of the time when you see a flop.

Do you know a stop n go move when you see one? I call them all the time.

I know he'd have to call here in case it's a stop and go. But why let his opponent think he can implement that?