Help me beat $50 rock quarries

[Vrax]

Flop percentage is 30-35%. Every 3rd hand is 9 folds around. Or EP limpers who checkcall overpairs. Sometimes they checkraise scary cards.

I do pretty fine on $25 tables, but on $50's I lost several stacks (I still have 22 buyins left so its not as bad).

What's the proper strategy for those tables?

Here you have some hands to critique...


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Hand #135493641 at table: Table TH 763
Started: Fri Nov 18 13:36:25 2005

medianus is at seat 1 with 48.78
carlos70 is at seat 2 with 35.69
henke-AXE is at seat 3 with 104.08
vinettu77 is at seat 4 with 44.61
miura is at seat 5 with 67.35
_Vrax_ is at seat 6 with 48.25
corso is at seat 7 with 52.50
lilifeng is at seat 8 with 23.30
fortuna50 is at seat 9 with 42.50
AnnoPeon is at seat 10 with 53.25

AnnoPeon posts the large blind 0.50
fortuna50 posts the small blind 0.25

fortuna50: --, --
AnnoPeon: --, --
medianus: --, --
carlos70: --, --
henke-AXE: --, --
vinettu77: --, --
miura: --, --
_Vrax_: Js, Jd
corso: --, --
lilifeng: --, --

Pre-flop:

medianus: Fold
carlos70: Call 0.50
henke-AXE: Fold
vinettu77: Call 0.50
miura: Fold
_Vrax_: Raise 2.00
corso: Fold
lilifeng: Fold
fortuna50: Call 2.00
AnnoPeon: Fold
carlos70: Fold
vinettu77: Call 2.00

Flop (Board: 9c, 5c, 5d):

fortuna50: Bet 5.00
vinettu77: Call 5.00
_Vrax_: Raise 10.00
fortuna50: Call 10.00
vinettu77: Raise 20.00
_Vrax_: Fold

Fortuna pushed, vinettu77 called.

Results (white):
Fortuna lost his stack with slowplayed AA to vinettu J5 offsuit.

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Hand #135545018 at table: Table TH 644
Started: Fri Nov 18 15:37:40 2005

_Vrax_ is at seat 1 with 82.74
scorpian62 is at seat 2 with 26.19
Vital is at seat 3 with 37.00
JakobJakob is at seat 4 with 39.50
Ayahuasca is at seat 5 with 106.67
lanfeust is at seat 6 with 27.85
Flojo is at seat 7 with 56.04
AnnoPeon is at seat 8 with 47.30
Slum_Ruin is at seat 9 with 56.99
ioakou73 is at seat 10 with 36.00

Slum_Ruin posts the large blind 0.50
AnnoPeon posts the small blind 0.25

AnnoPeon: --, --
Slum_Ruin: --, --
ioakou73: --, --
_Vrax_: 8d, 8h
scorpian62: --, --
Vital: --, --
JakobJakob: --, --
Ayahuasca: --, --
lanfeust: --, --
Flojo: --, --

Pre-flop:

ioakou73: Fold
_Vrax_: Raise 1.50
scorpian62: Fold
Vital: Fold
JakobJakob: Fold
Ayahuasca: Fold
lanfeust: Fold
Flojo: Fold
AnnoPeon: Call 1.50
Slum_Ruin: Fold

Flop (Board: 3d, Js, 6h):

AnnoPeon: Bet 1.50
_Vrax_: Raise 3.50
AnnoPeon: Fold

_Vrax_ wins the pot of 6.20 by default

(0.30 rake were taken for this hand)

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Hand #135546485 at table: Table TH 794
Started: Fri Nov 18 15:40:46 2005

bulldog5 is at seat 1 with 22.22
Vital is at seat 2 with 38.00
and1000 is at seat 3 with 39.32
Stenen is at seat 4 with 52.80
Slum_Ruin is at seat 5 with 51.40
james21 is at seat 6 with 46.10
NordicStar is at seat 7 with 94.95
_Vrax_ is at seat 8 with 62.80
AnnoPeon is at seat 9 with 48.25
Ayahuasca is at seat 10 with 69.85

Ayahuasca posts the large blind 0.50
AnnoPeon posts the small blind 0.25

AnnoPeon: --, --
Ayahuasca: --, --
bulldog5: --, --
Vital: --, --
and1000: --, --
Stenen: --, --
Slum_Ruin: --, --
james21: --, --
NordicStar: --, --
_Vrax_: Kh, Kd

Pre-flop:

bulldog5: Fold
Vital: Call 0.50
and1000: Call 0.50
Stenen: Fold
Slum_Ruin: Fold
james21: Raise 1.00
NordicStar: Call 1.00
_Vrax_: Raise 6.00
AnnoPeon: Fold
Ayahuasca: Fold
Vital: Fold
and1000: Fold
james21: Call 6.00
NordicStar: Call 6.00

Flop (Board: 2d, 10c, 5s):

james21: Check
NordicStar: Check
_Vrax_: Bet 7.50
james21: Fold
NordicStar: Call 7.50

Turn (Board: 2d, 10c, 5s, 10d):

NordicStar: Check
_Vrax_: Bet 10.00
NordicStar: Raise 20.00
_Vrax_: wtf?


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Hand #135573637 at table: Table TH 794
Started: Fri Nov 18 16:36:40 2005

bulldog5 is at seat 1 with 38.85
allinadict is at seat 2 with 27.29
paradigm is at seat 3 with 36.46
Rouble is at seat 4 with 46.35
coffeecup is at seat 5 with 27.25
james21 is at seat 6 with 14.72
Gaijin. is at seat 7 with 55.60
_Vrax_ is at seat 8 with 46.15
AnnoPeon is at seat 9 with 46.05
Ayahuasca is at seat 10 with 56.75

bulldog5 posts the large blind 0.50
Ayahuasca posts the small blind 0.25

Ayahuasca: --, --
bulldog5: --, --
allinadict: --, --
paradigm: --, --
Rouble: --, --
coffeecup: --, --
james21: --, --
Gaijin.: --, --
_Vrax_: Jd, Jc
AnnoPeon: --, --

Pre-flop:

allinadict: Fold
paradigm: Fold
Rouble: Call 0.50
coffeecup: Fold
james21: Call 0.50
Gaijin.: Fold
_Vrax_: Raise 2.00
AnnoPeon: Fold
Ayahuasca: Fold
bulldog5: Call 2.00
Rouble: Fold
james21: Call 2.00

Flop (Board: 9d, 10s, 8c):

bulldog5: Check
james21: Check
_Vrax_: Bet 4.50
bulldog5: Call 4.50
james21: Fold

Turn (Board: 9d, 10s, 8c, Qh):

bulldog5: Bet 15.50
_Vrax_: All in
bulldog5: All in

River (Board: 9d, 10s, 8c, Qh, 9h):


Showdown: (in whites)


_Vrax_ shows: Jd, Jc (Queen high straight)
bulldog5 shows: 6d, Qd (two pair, Queens and Nines)

Mainpot:
_Vrax_ wins the pot of 78.45 with Queen high straight

(3.00 rake were taken for this hand)

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Hand #135593177 at table: Table TH 794
Started: Fri Nov 18 17:13:40 2005

already is at seat 1 with 11.50
allinadict is at seat 2 with 36.64
paradigm is at seat 3 with 39.31
Farnham is at seat 4 with 52.10
coffeecup is at seat 5 with 27.75
james21 is at seat 6 with 17.97
Gaijin. is at seat 7 with 55.85
_Vrax_ is at seat 8 with 83.45
AnnoPeon is at seat 9 with 51.65
Ayahuasca is at seat 10 with 48.75

already posts the large blind 0.50
Ayahuasca posts the small blind 0.25

Ayahuasca: --, --
already: --, --
allinadict: --, --
paradigm: --, --
Farnham: --, --
coffeecup: --, --
james21: --, --
Gaijin.: --, --
_Vrax_: As, Ks
AnnoPeon: --, --

Pre-flop:

allinadict: Fold
paradigm: Raise 1.50
Farnham: Fold
coffeecup: Call 1.50
james21: Fold
Gaijin.: Call 1.50
_Vrax_: Call 1.50
AnnoPeon: Fold
Ayahuasca: Fold
already: Fold

Flop (Board: 9d, Kh, Qd):

paradigm: Bet 1.00
coffeecup: Call 1.00
Gaijin.: Call 1.00
_Vrax_: Raise 4.00
paradigm: Call 4.00
coffeecup: Fold
Gaijin.: Fold

Turn (Board: 9d, Kh, Qd, 3c):

paradigm: Check
_Vrax_: Check

River (Board: 9d, Kh, Qd, 3c, 3d):

paradigm: Check
_Vrax_: Bet 5.50
paradigm: Call 5.50

Showdown:

_Vrax_ shows: As, Ks (two pair, Kings and Threes)

Mainpot:
_Vrax_ wins the pot of 26.40 with two pair, Kings and Threes

(1.35 rake were taken for this hand)-


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Hand #135666599 at table: Table TH 763
Started: Fri Nov 18 19:28:40 2005

daddyblaze is at seat 1 with 162.55
Farnham is at seat 2 with 61.97
zx6r2000 is at seat 3 with 20.35
already is at seat 4 with 27.09
sanfandila is at seat 5 with 20.55
_Vrax_ is at seat 6 with 49.80
Preze$ is at seat 7 with 32.50
coffeecup is at seat 8 with 45.65
billb is at seat 9 with 53.97
tom012 is at seat 10 with 22.35

billb posts the large blind 0.50
coffeecup posts the small blind 0.25

coffeecup: --, --
billb: --, --
tom012: --, --
daddyblaze: --, --
Farnham: --, --
zx6r2000: --, --
already: --, --
sanfandila: --, --
_Vrax_: Qh, Ah
Preze$: --, --

Pre-flop:

tom012: Call 0.50
daddyblaze: Fold
Farnham: Fold
zx6r2000: Fold
already: Fold
sanfandila: Fold
_Vrax_: Raise 2.00
Preze$: Fold
coffeecup: Fold
billb: Call 2.00
tom012: Call 2.00

Flop (Board: 2h, Ac, Jd):

billb: Check
tom012: Check
_Vrax_: Bet 4.50
billb: Call 4.50
tom012: Fold

Turn (Board: 2h, Ac, Jd, Qd):

billb: Check
_Vrax_: Bet 8.50
billb: Call 8.50

River (Board: 2h, Ac, Jd, Qd, 6s):

billb: Check
_Vrax_: Bet 10.00
billb: Call 10.00

Showdown:

_Vrax_ shows: Qh, Ah (two pair, Aces and Queens)

Mainpot:
_Vrax_ wins the pot of 49.65 with two pair, Aces and Queens

(2.60 rake were taken for this hand)--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[IowaSkinsFan]

wow i really wonder what billb had on that last hand?

He played that SO PASSIVELY

[sejje]

wow i really wonder what billb had on that last hand?

He played that SO PASSIVELY

Something like A9.

[TalentedTom]

Jeez your very passive...
AK suited always reraise preflop its one of the biggest hands in holdem, get in th ehabbit of doing pot sized bets post flop, the hand where you had KK I would play for stacks, you raise $6 preflop get 2 callers, bet out $12-16 after flop you raise so little.... The hand where you had AQ 2 pair, queen on the turn thats your magic card, its almost impossible to be up against a straight cause he would have to be chasing a gutshot, play this baby for stacks.

The only reason I can see you losing money is because you do not raise hard enough, it seems very easy to get you to fold a hand dont pretend your playing against yourself, i used to have a similar problem. I would value bet cause I know i personally dont call overbets, but ever since i realized these people call $40 raise into a $8 pot, ive never looked back.

[mouteut]

I can't stand people who limp in J5o -_- These guys drive me insane in limit.

These hands seems good, i don't see the problem

EDIT: i will agree with Tom actually....in 50 NL when you see the other guy likes his hand (AQ hand), dont be scared to push, if they like their hand they will often call you.(im a maniac of playing suited connector and push whenever i hit, works very well against them)

[Greedo017]

Hand one, usually here I would raise to 15, and fold to further aggression.

Hand two, on a table of rocks, I think you played fine. i don't like raising lower pairs on loose tables

Hand three, this situation definitely sucks, would depend on what I thought of the guy. I might call and hope he bets small and call or check behind on the river, or i might just fold here, depends on what I feel the guy is capable of/how big an idiot he is. i'm probably folding more often than not, because he's probably going to bet 20+ on the river, and IMO paying 30+ more on this hand isn't worth it.

Hand four, not really sure why this is posted its played fine.

hand five, i would bet the turn and check behind on the river, too often when you check behind on the turn they will get their balls up on the river and put in a big bet that's really hard to call. If you bet and they raise, ditch it. if you bet and they call, there is a good chance they'll check the river to you even with a better hand.

hand six, goot.

[Fnord]

AK suited always reraise preflop

With 100bb stacks, I disagree. Re-raise is opponent dependent. I'll either call this or even fold!

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

SB ($104.05)
BB ($32.15)
UTG ($17.40)
UTG+1 ($91.45)
MP1 ($133.85)
MP2 ($100)
Fnord ($95)
CO ($30.50)
Button ($75.05)

Preflop: Fnord is MP3 with A, K. MP2 posts a blind of $1.
3 folds, MP2 (poster) raises to $4, Fnord calls $4, CO calls $4, 3 folds.

Flop: ($13.50) 2, A, K (3 players)
MP2 checks, Fnord checks, CO bets $26.5 (All-In), MP2 folds, Fnord calls $26.50.

Turn: ($66.50) A (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($66.50) 3 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $66.50

Results in white below:
Fnord has Ah Kd (full house, aces full of kings).
CO has 4c 4d (two pair, aces and fours).
Outcome: Fnord wins $66.50.

[TalentedTom]

AK suited always reraise preflop

With 100bb stacks, I disagree. Re-raise is opponent dependent. I'll either call this or even fold!

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

SB ($104.05)
BB ($32.15)
UTG ($17.40)
UTG+1 ($91.45)
MP1 ($133.85)
MP2 ($100)
Fnord ($95)
CO ($30.50)
Button ($75.05)

Preflop: Fnord is MP3 with A, K. MP2 posts a blind of $1.
3 folds, MP2 (poster) raises to $4, Fnord calls $4, CO calls $4, 3 folds.

Flop: ($13.50) 2, A, K (3 players)
MP2 checks, Fnord checks, CO bets $26.5 (All-In), MP2 folds, Fnord calls $26.50.

Turn: ($66.50) A (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($66.50) 3 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $66.50

Results in white below:
Fnord has Ah Kd (full house, aces full of kings).
CO has 4c 4d (two pair, aces and fours).
Outcome: Fnord wins $66.50.

lol where do you find these donks

[Rondavu]

I do pretty fine on $25 tables, but on $50's I lost several stacks (I still have 22 buyins left so its not as bad).

What's the proper strategy for those tables?

Become the table sucker and then dissapoint the read. At a tight table, you have to shake the money tree, or you're just like everyone else around you.