Value betting QQ

[johnny_fish]

After the turn I thought about check-folding but a set didn't make sense to me.. Was the bet/call at the river +EV? No read; 2nd orbit or so at the table.

** Game ID 586278586 starting - 2005-11-21 22:58:19
** Wild Willow [Hold 'em] (0.50|1.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- beeleybob sitting in seat 1 with $57.37
- PontLa-mera sitting in seat 2 with $145.53
- johnny291281 sitting in seat 3 with $99.00
- Ston sitting in seat 4 with $68.60
- mooojuice sitting in seat 5 with $152.45
- Ablahad sitting in seat 6 with $13.00 [Sitting out]
- TasteofMoney sitting in seat 7 with $124.00
- jsk sitting in seat 8 with $111.85
- seawaterz sitting in seat 9 with $146.35 [Dealer]
- JDub21 sitting in seat 10 with $86.90

JDub21 posted the small blind - $0.50
beeleybob posted the big blind - $1.00
** Dealing card to johnny291281: Queen of Spades, Queen of Clubs
PontLa-mera folded
johnny291281 raised - $4.00
Ston folded
mooojuice folded
TasteofMoney folded
jsk folded
seawaterz called - $4.00
JDub21 folded
beeleybob folded

** Dealing the flop: Jack of Clubs, 8 of Diamonds, 2 of Spades
johnny291281 bet - $6.00
seawaterz called - $6.00

** Dealing the turn: 10 of Hearts
johnny291281 bet - $12.00
seawaterz called - $12.00

** Dealing the river: 4 of Hearts
johnny291281 bet - $20.00
seawaterz raised - $40.00
johnny291281 called - $40.00
seawaterz shows: Ace of Clubs, J of Spades
johnny291281 shows : Queen of Spades, Queen of Clubs
johnny291281 wins $122.50 from the main pot

End of game 586278586

[IowaSkinsFan]

He'd played it like a draw the entire time, yet no draw has seemed to hit on the river. My guess is that he has AA, or he flopped a set. Your opp has played this hand horribly. If he had a J on the flop you'd really think he'd reraise it. His line doesn't make sense to me but your beat 9 times out of 10 here so fold the river I think.

[KoRnholio]

Also, there's two jacks of clubs?

My only guess is that the villain poorly played his tptk against the preflop aggressor thinking you were overplaying AK.

[ChrisBCritter]

Tough call at the end. If I was the villian, I'd probably play JJ or 88 the same way against an aggressive raiser.

Without a read, I woulda slowed down on the river, or, if that was my blocking bet that got re-raised, then I fold. You are only beating TP or a bluff. Possible hands that he has that beat you:
JJ, probable
TT, unlikely given the flop call, but I've seen it played worse
88, probable
22, nice pre-flop call
44, not a chance
AA, KK, highly doubtful
Q9, 97, only a supreme donk would show this...
JT, This is another possible holding that might play this way

Hands that you beat:
AJ, KJ, slightly possible, but why wait until the river to raise??
QJ, unlikely, given your hand, and you beat it anyways, so you're not worried about this
RAGS, Possible he just waited to try and bluff you out of the pot at the river. I doubt it though.

With this relatively un-scary board, I would say that your call was on the whole -EV. Results suck.

[ChrisBCritter]

Just realized the results were there...

I still fold that without a read.

[johnny_fish]

I changed the results to see if the replies would change.. This is what really happened:

seawaterz shows: 2 of Clubs, 2 of Hearts
johnny291281 mucks:
seawaterz wins $122.50 from the main pot

[IowaSkinsFan]

the guy slowplayed it okay. I mean, if I were him I would've raised the flop 3x to try to rep a J, that way you'd have to call. but with a complete rainbow he played it a little greedy but I'd love to see his face if a 9 hit on the river.

[DogOnMySide]

I bloody HATE situations like this, where you have a high pair and opp just keeps on flat calling. You dont want to give a free card, but on the same line you don't want to just feed him your chips.

Me hatey.

[EricE]

I play it the same and lose just like you. Opponent played so passive it’s hard to know what he holds. The only better line may be checking the river but it’s hard to do that when you can’t put him on anything. After the raise I don’t put him on Q9. JT could play this way I suppose but then so could AJ. AJ is the most likely holding so I call.