Genius? Or Fishy?

[allLiving]

Gupta has been pot raising almost any Ax and High cards and the going AI on the flop with overcards, and I was planning on calling his AI if the board wasnt too scary. Preflop this play was very good because I knew after that raise he had QQ-AA and that I would take his whole stack if I hit my set.

FullTiltPoker Game #290091628: Table Alta (6 max) - $2/$4 - No Limit Hold'em - 12:14:08 ET - 2005/11/13
Seat 1: Peoplesjim ($130.40)
Seat 2: gupta16 ($148.50)
Seat 3: murph260 ($122.60)
Seat 4: badbeat11 ($427.40), is sitting out
Seat 5: allLiving ($594.15)
Seat 6: tjb007 ($492.60)
allLiving posts the small blind of $2
tjb007 posts the big blind of $4
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to allLiving [7h 7s]
Peoplesjim calls $4
gupta16 raises to $18
murph260 folds
allLiving calls $16
tjb007 raises to $40
Peoplesjim folds
gupta16 calls $22
allLiving calls $22
*** FLOP *** [7c 5h 9s]
allLiving checks
tjb007 bets $64
gupta16 folds
allLiving raises to $554.15, and is all in
tjb007 calls $388.60, and is all in
allLiving shows [7h 7s]
tjb007 shows [Qd Qc]
Uncalled bet of $101.55 returned to allLiving
*** TURN *** [7c 5h 9s] [6h]
*** RIVER *** [7c 5h 9s 6h] [Kc]
allLiving shows three of a kind, Sevens
tjb007 shows a pair of Queens
allLiving wins the pot ($1,027.20) with three of a kind, Sevens
tjb007 is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1,029.20 | Rake $2
Board: [7c 5h 9s 6h Kc]
Seat 1: Peoplesjim folded before the Flop
Seat 2: gupta16 folded on the Flop
Seat 3: murph260 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: badbeat11 is sitting out
Seat 5: allLiving (small blind) showed [7h 7s] and won ($1,027.20) with three of a kind, Sevens
Seat 6: tjb007 (big blind) showed [Qd Qc] and lost with a pair of Queens

[allLiving]

After this hand this guy was absolutely chewing me out and bitching at me for my play, calling me a fish and that I should learn the game. He started raising everyhand going and was on tilt. Thats when I picked up this little gem.

FullTiltPoker Game #290117088: Table Alta (6 max) - $2/$4 - No Limit Hold'em - 12:40:15 ET - 2005/11/13
Seat 1: Peoplesjim ($114.10)
Seat 2: suezee Q ($349.55)
Seat 3: murph260 ($104.75)
Seat 4: schnuckl ($208.90)
Seat 5: allLiving ($1,044.35)
Seat 6: tjb007 ($428)
Peoplesjim posts the small blind of $2
suezee Q posts the big blind of $4
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to allLiving [Ah 9d]
murph260 folds
schnuckl calls $4
allLiving raises to $12
tjb007 raises to $28
Peoplesjim calls $26
suezee Q folds
schnuckl folds
allLiving calls $16
*** FLOP *** [6d Ad 5c]
Peoplesjim checks
allLiving checks
tjb007 bets $64
Peoplesjim folds
allLiving raises to $1,016.35, and is all in
tjb007 calls $336, and is all in
allLiving shows [Ah 9d]
tjb007 shows [Ac Kc]
Uncalled bet of $616.35 returned to allLiving
*** TURN *** [6d Ad 5c] [4c]
*** RIVER *** [6d Ad 5c 4c] [9h]
allLiving shows two pair, Aces and Nines
tjb007 shows a pair of Aces
allLiving wins the pot ($889) with two pair, Aces and Nines
tjb007 is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $892 | Rake $3
Board: [6d Ad 5c 4c 9h]
Seat 1: Peoplesjim (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: suezee Q (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: murph260 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: schnuckl folded before the Flop
Seat 5: allLiving showed [Ah 9d] and won ($889) with two pair, Aces and Nines
Seat 6: tjb007 (button) showed [Ac Kc] and lost with a pair of Aces

[johnny_fish]

Why risking a fold?

[allLiving]

Hmmm?

[Muxy]

i see your favorite hand is A9 eh

[dsaxton]

I don't understand what you're doing in the second hand. The preflop raise is fine but your flop play is pretty fishy.

[STIdrivr]

wat were you hoping he had in the second hand. A 8?

[michael1123]

Genius? Or Fishy?

Neither. First hand is rather standard.

The second hand is just bad poker. Its very reminiscint of the hands that Rippy used to post all the time last year, and you even use his word of it being a "gem". I just don't get the point, really. Its certainly doesn't make much sense to be proud of the play.

[pantherhound]

The first hand obviously works a charm at lower levels, but I'm interested in how often good players at these higher stakes would call with say AA there? Assuming against the 'average' 2/4 player, would they automatically see this and fold thinking it was standard smart play with a set? If so (and I'm guessing they would) why would this play still be considered standard at these stakes?

[mouteut]

No need to pull the trigger....cold call him up the river and then pull it. Not everyone will call this all in and i dont see the need to protect your hand so hard. Kindly bet stuff he will call until the river and then push.

No comment on second hand

[Les_Worm]

Don't mean to be the forum police but is this even 'high stakes'? The Hand Histories forums say that it is for 2/4NL and lower so I think this thread belongs there.

[pantherhound]

No need to pull the trigger....cold call him up the river and then pull it.

The point is, he had a read which corresponded with that play.

What I (still) want to know is, How standard is this exactly at these levels if there logically are less donks around to call the overbet?

[SmackinYaUp]

The first hand was nicely played. It looked like you were another fish trying to tell the lag to piss off by over-valuing and overbetting some sort of weak tptk or overpair. The second hand, well, you did just that. He's not calling you without you being beat of course. Looks like you were reppin another set? Risking too much to win too little. At least you got a nice payday.

[allLiving]

The 2nd hand was one of those hands that you needed to be there and have watched the table to understand it. It was indeed lucky, but I stand by my play. This guy was tilting hardcore and would call bets like this with a mid pair, etc.

[SmackinYaUp]

Well in that case, posting it doesn't do a whole lot of good without including the information. Still, it seems like quite an overbet. If you're dead sure he's going to call with a 5 or a 6 then I guess its an ok play, but it seems like overkill and a big risk. Of course you do play about 4x higher than I do, but still, I'm not much loving the second hand. First hand was beautiful though.