25NL 6max. 89s.

[vqc]

***** Hand History for Game 3262556872 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, December 26, 03:59:21 EDT 2005
Table Table 66281 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: bgossa10 ( $45.50 )
Seat 3: Thebear00 ( $21.40 )
Seat 5: SALDIVAR222 ( $8.47 )
Seat 2: gatorman39 ( $18.65 )
Seat 6: TheBoneHer ( $20.60 )
Seat 4: nofriends0 ( $38.55 )
Thebear00 posts small blind [$0.10].
nofriends0 posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TheBoneHer [ 8h 9h ]
SALDIVAR222 folds.
TheBoneHer raises [$0.75].
bgossa10 folds.
gatorman39 folds.
Thebear00 calls [$0.65].
nofriends0 calls [$0.50].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5s, Th, 7c ]
Thebear00 checks.
nofriends0 bets [$2].
TheBoneHer calls [$2].
Thebear00 folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3h ]
nofriends0 bets [$4].
TheBoneHer is all-In [$17.85]

notes on the player
"
table coach whiny bitch

8xBB raise rpeflop with QQ.
will check a K high flop and then call a river bet

likes to raise my c bets"

[Pelion]

If he has 2 overs you are about a 55% underdog.

If he has an overpair you are 30/70

What excactly is the question here? You have nothing to call with. Fold

[salt3d]

Err, once you've pushed, you can't fold.

[ville18]

After pushing AI it's kinda hard to fold though.

[Miffed22001]

I think this is a similar question to post doggz made.
(you played this like an SNG player too, horrible )
Ok raise to 4bbs preflop, no 3bbs bull ok.
Your hand is disguised, so if people bet into you they dont know you have draws to the nutz here. But, i'd still pump up the flop. You may buy a free card on the turn or at least force opp to consider what every he has on that flop is not the best hand. Then, In that case look at your implied odds on the turn. If you hit the river i think you can get most of it in and get called, so basically you are calling $4 to possibly win $30. In that sense its an easy call and if you hit bet the river hard, its likely opp calls because he cant put you on the straight/flush easily. You have no need to play gambOOl at ring, just make a cheap hand and get the fishies calling. Pushing isnt a great option imo even with like 1billion outs!

[vqc]

I think this is a similar question to post doggz made.
(you played this like an SNG player too, horrible )
Ok raise to 4bbs preflop, no 3bbs bull ok.
Your hand is disguised, so if people bet into you they dont know you have draws to the nutz here. But, i'd still pump up the flop. You may buy a free card on the turn or at least force opp to consider what every he has on that flop is not the best hand. Then, In that case look at your implied odds on the turn. If you hit the river i think you can get most of it in and get called, so basically you are calling $4 to possibly win $30. In that sense its an easy call and if you hit bet the river hard, its likely opp calls because he cant put you on the straight/flush easily. You have no need to play gambOOl at ring, just make a cheap hand and get the fishies calling. Pushing isnt a great option imo even with like 1billion outs!

why 4x instead of 3x?

do u guys raise alot of hidden draws on the flop?
is that like a std play often times?

i thought this was a nifty hand, stupid SNG player in me =P

He had AT and called me.

but yes,
is raising hidden draws on the flop a good play?

[Fnord]

He had AT and called me.

Something to keep in mind. Even if you bumped up the bet sizes 4x and played this at my typical 100NL table you're getting called here a lot without a specific nitty read. It's a really cool play, certainly one that needs to be in your playbook, but you need to pick your spots for it. I used to make this play a lot more often, but found that they just called too much and made some adjustments to my game to exploit that.

Another thought is that just pushing makes this play pretty transparent. A raise that just pot-fucks him will have the same effect but not look so much like the semi-bluff push. However, the pot is such at this point that you pretty much have to push on the turn.

8xBB raise rpeflop with QQ.
will check a K high flop and then call a river bet

Doesn't sound like a folder. Plays "correctly"ish pre-flop and probably takes his hands way too far. You just got to stack him and splash around in small pots where he doesn't have anything.

[Miffed22001]

always 4bbs because if you raise 3bbs i can *try* and put you on something like this.
Yes, semi bluffing draws/reraising on the flop is goot, especially if hidden because remeber we just load the chips back at the end Aggression may also push opp of their hand or marginal holding and it often buys a free turn card whih you may need.