Whats your play

[stubbsy2005]

$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, December 15, 09:14:25 EDT 2005
Table Table 70005 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 3: songrongzi ( $2.55 )
Seat 4: hawksrule999 ( $16.50 )
Seat 5: riverluver20 ( $15.20 )
Seat 6: Stubbsy2005 ( $80.40 )
Seat 8: ElAaron ( $7.45 )
Seat 9: Gandalf__ ( $22 )
Seat 10: lingfors ( $26.30 )
Seat 7: Denegott ( $31.85 )
Seat 2: Lord_Buki ( $26.30 )
Seat 1: No_Shuffle ( $22.30 )
hawksrule999 posts small blind [$0.10].
riverluver20 posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Stubbsy2005 [ Qh Qc ]
jpr2005 calls [$0.25].
Denegott calls [$0.25].
>You have options at Table 69983 Table!.
ElAaron calls [$0.25].
Gandalf__ raises [$2].
lingfors folds.
No_Shuffle calls [$2].
Lord_Buki folds.
songrongzi folds.
hawksrule999 calls [$1.90].
riverluver20 folds.
Stubbsy2005calls [$1.75].
Denegott calls [$1.75].
ElAaron folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4s, 8c, 9d ]
hawksrule999 bets [$5].

What do you do from here?? Please explain. Will post result when have a few responses.

Thanks
Stubbsy

[cardsman1992]

Here's what I do....more epxerienced players please offer critique....

I reraise preflop to $9 to eliminate more players and isolate against original raiser. If he comes back over the top of me I can fold if necessary. If he folds I am happy, if he calls at least I have initiative in the hand. I at that point put him on two paint cards or a pocket pair.

On the flop if he leads 1/2 pot, I think he's trying to protect his hand and put the hammer down. If he checks, I push.

My scenario (I believe) should push out the SCs so there shouldn't be a straight draw out there, right? Even at $25?

As played, with that many opps in the pot and the blind coming out with a bet, he either has a straight draw or two pair. I would probably fold, but with enough callers, I might see one more card.

But admittedly, my postflop play needs work and I might lose some money on this hand....

Please weigh in....

[stubbsy2005]

Thanks cardsman
interesting perspective, will try and share my ideas also when some more have posted

[fade177]

QQ is a very sensitive hand to multiway pots. You have a huge stack, why not use it for a little leverage? You need to push preflop here. I think $9 is too much for 25NL, I think $6 is about right. At 25NL, people like to limp call as long as it's not a ton of money, but also they don't like to invest a lot of money preflop. I think a reraise of such will get the information you're looking for. On the flop, you will need great caution here. As you might be up against several pocket pairs, especially smaller ones. I doubt hawk has a site, but when I see that many callers I expect some one to pretty good piece of the flop, and your overpair is volatile right here. More than likely you still have the best hand, but you might only be 3 to 2 at best to any one opponent, and since their are so many seeing the flop, I'd be leaning towards folding if any extra action occured. There are going to be better oppurtunities.

[stubbsy2005]

Just as a question, if there is a reraise after your reraise you are willing to let it go assuming they have KK or AA since there is QQ out there. SO you are happy om pure assumption to fold to AA or KK here ?????

[Dunk]

I'm confused by this HH. There is a jpr2005 calling who isn't in the list of players, and I'm not seeing your move in the first round of betting before Gandalf__ raises. Perhaps it needs editing, or you accidentally editing someone and some lines out?

[Fnord]

jpr2005 == Stubbsy as best I can figure it.

I would certainly raise pre-flop in just about any game I can imagine playing.

There is $10 in the pot, hawk bet $5 with $10ish behind. The PFR has $22. You're pretty pot stuck here, I would just push over the SB's bet and hope for the best. I can't imagine folding without more information on hawk and gandalf.

[r8ed]

Not reraising preflop put you in this position.

I push here. Your stack is huge. The only guy that had you beat preflop is maybe Gandolf. P ut him to the same decision.

[Fnord]

Your stack is huge.

That's a silly reason to push. It's a cash game, make the best +$EV decision given the effective stack size...

[r8ed]

Your stack is huge.

That's a silly reason to push. It's a cash game, make the best +$EV decision given the effective stack size...

True. I still like to send a message that I have them covered and I'm going to put them all in if they want to play in raised pots with me. I'm pushing regardless.

[nutsinho]

Five to the flop after 8xbb preflop raise....what's the likelihood someone has 44,88, 99, KK, AA? Any of those hands would call a push. Not many worse hands will call a push. By not reraising preflop after all those limpers, you took the risk of entering a huge multiway pot with a vulnerable hand. Therefore, I'd be looking for a set and I probably would wait for a better spot to play for stacks if I don't hit, even on a raggy flop like this. Fold.