"thats the worst call ive ever seen"

[WildBobAA]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

CO ($519.45)
Button ($197)
SB ($183.80)
Hero ($206.35)
UTG ($211.30)
MP ($562.60)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8, 8.
1 fold, MP raises to $6, 1 fold, Button calls $6, 1 fold, Hero calls $4.

Flop: ($19) 6, 8, 6 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, Button bets $12, Hero calls $12, MP folds.

Turn: ($43) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $18, Hero calls $18.

River: ($79) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $50, Button raises to $161, Hero calls $111.

Final Pot: $401

I posted this in the Bad Beat forum (you can prolly guess what villian had) but apprently I made the worst call one person has ever seen.

[freechus9]

A 9?

[WildBobAA]

A9 doesn't beat me. Do you think this was a bad call?

[freechus9]

Well I think it depends. Without a read, I'd say "fuck me" and I'd try my hardest to fold. Whether I do or not depends on my mood. But intuition says yea, fold. But is this guy a bluffer? Is he really LAGGy? Does he like to push people around on bluffs? If yes, then no, its not a bad call. Situational I guess. Also, I think a raise on the flop would really tell you what the villain has. He's probably not folding unless hes a really solid player and doesn't like to play trips with a bad kicker. When he 3-bets you, get it all in, and then you can call it a bad beat without any hesitation.

[WildBobAA]

The only hands that beat me are 99, or the case 6. AA-TT or 9x all make this raise.

You really put him on 99 or 6x here?

[freechus9]

Yea, AA-TT do make this raise, but what do you think the chances of that are. Your calls are not telling him that you're going away. If he puts you on a flush draw for calling then making a big river bet, then it's a good call. But I think he has the 6. AA-TT aren't strong enough to stay in the hand this long, so 99 and a 6 are your most likely hands, I believe.

[SinkRox]

I dont think 6x is very likely, considering he raised pf. 99 is obviously your worry, but i probably make a crying call and hope he's overplaying a high pp.

hmmm the more I look at this hand the more im pondering over weather folding is the best option (the board has paired twice). Without a read I think I call here unless his re-raise is more than 5x my raise, if its that big then relative to what I invested, it may be worth laying (http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...528&highlight=)

[freechus9]

He didn't raise, he called a raise. And given that call, a 65s or 76s is reasonable, albeit incorrect. Combine it with that betting pattern, and I think you have a recipe for the case 6.. Though 99 is still a reasonable possibility. I just think there are many more ways for this to be a 6 than 99 or other overpairs.

[Greedo017]

9 or overzealous overpair or 8 can all do this, for 100 into a 300 pot i think i'm calling. yea you can probably find a fold to the reraise if you're willing to put more effort into it than i am at this moment, but losing to quads with the third nuts? this is among the worst of calls?

[arkana]

I call that all day without a very good read, you will see a lot of hands that you beat at showdown more often than you will see the case 6. Raise the turn.

[midas06]

Bob, for the record, I just wanted to say bwned in a thread, not criticize your play.

[WildBobAA]

Bob, for the record, I just wanted to say bwned in a thread, not criticize your play.

SFB!!!!

[Andy Holt]

Bob, for the record, I just wanted to say bwned in a thread, not criticize your play.

SFB!!!!

bwnticon

In all seriousness, you have to call here. There is no turning back!

[Miffed22001]

teh_suck
call
all day
all nite

[DaHorror]

He's not afraid of you in the least on the river. Even 99 might be a little afraid of the slowplayed 6 and just call.
But perhaps not...since you seemed to indicate this was a bad beatish (really just an outdraw) it looks like he had 99...but I wouldn't put it past him to have the 6 either.

Still a call I think.

[Irisheyes]

I'd say the person who made the 'worst call' comment over-looked the fact that you had a 888xx FH and not just a 66688 FH.

[nutsinho]

Okay, so I was the guy who made the "worst call" comment. I was being a little harsh because bad beat threads are supposed to be about having a great hand, getting it all in with the best of it and losing to someone who made a horrible play/call getting extremely lucky. Bad beat posts should not involve villain doing nothing wrong and hero playing like shit.

But anyway, I still think it is an awful call and I'll explain why. Since you've provided no reads, I assume random 200NL opponent which generally means this guy is capable of thought.

So anyway, this guy doesn't make the PFR; he calls it. So we put him on a pocket pair or suited connecting shit. He bets the flop which to me means 6x, 8x, or PP 99-JJ (QQ-AA would probably reraise preflop). He's interested in figuring out what the raiser has to figure out if he has the best hand if he has 8x, 99-JJ, or how much money he can make if he has the 6. To his surprise he gets action not from the PFR but from the other caller. The turn brings another 6 and he bets again; I don't think this changes his possible hand range much. You have to be at least a little annoyed with this turn card; it probably kills your action slightly but you've no reason to believe at this point he has the case 6.

The river is where you suck. You bet out $50 into a $80 pot. Think about what this means to your opponent. Your bet looks like "Oh shit, I have a nutty ass hand that I need to bet because my opponent might just check behind and then I'll have lost a shit ton of value". A blocking bet here would probably be $25-30, since your opponent has bet 12 and 18 on the flop and turn, respectively. If you had bet 25 $ish and he came over the top, this might well be read as a FU and your 8/9 trying to shut down the action, pay my TT+ off bitch. But you bet 50 and he comes over the top all in. Thus, I'm taking TT+ off his range (KK-AA are highly unlikely anyway). The way you played this hand, it looks to a thinking opponent like YOU have the case 6. Thus in a high stakes game I would expect just a call from any hand but the case 6. But here it could easily be an overzealous 99 thinking OMG i just spiked top boat all in!! In either case, he has one of the two hands that beat you. So unless you know this guy is not a solid player, I think this call is really bad.

Anyone who disagrees with me is probably a moron.

[Irisheyes]

Anyone who disagrees with me is probably a moron.

lol

[Lukie]

I don't like the way the hand was played from hero's perspective, but I probably call on the end there as well.

[Pelion]

Anyone who disagrees with me is probably a moron.

lol

new sig.

[WildBobAA]

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