Win-rate and Table selection

[UG]

These two go together, so I thought I'd ask these two questions here...

1) What is considered a "good" win-rate at the NL100 6-max game? I'm currently running at 18bb/100 over 7.5k hands. I'm not sure if this is sustainable or not, but I hope it is. Is it? Also, it should be known that I usually 2-table when I play, so I'm sure as I add more tables my win-rate will go down somewhat, but my $$$/hour will go up (which is what I should be focusing on anyway)...

2) As far as table selection goes, what defines a "good" table? How do you go about your table selection process? Do you sit down at a random table, start playing, and realize within 5-6 orbits whether it's good or not? Or do you have some other way of doing it? I want tighties on my left, and loose players on my right, correct? What else should I be looking for?

I know these are pretty generic/basic questions that probably have really simple answers.....but I'm a 6-max noob, so throw me a bone if you can.


Any thoughts would be appreciated.


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[Robert]

I only play NL 25 6-max so I cant answer about the winrate, but this how I use table selection:
I open 10 tables on party, open up PT and PAhud, and I datamine these 10 tables for about ½ an hour. Then I open up PAhud and choose some of the tables with highest average VSIP. If theres at least 2 players with high VPIP at the table I normally sit down if theres a good seat.
Like you said I want the loose ones on my right and the tight ones on my left.
If the only seat at the table is one where I give position to a LAG I normally look for another seat/table.
Also, having a very loose player on your left who coldcalls all your raises with position can be a real pain, so I try to avoid those too.

Table selection is key at ALL stakes IMO. It can really maximise your winrate a great deal.

PS: I wouldnt worry about winrate, before you have enough hands to get a good idea of your winrate you've (1) become a better player and your old stats therefore doesnt reflect your current winrate, and (2) you've moved up in stakes.

[Bmxicle]

1) winrates are useless, my winrate over my first 30k hands was 7ptbb/100 at 3/6, 3ptbb/100 over next 30k, and now its around 5-6ptbb over the last 30k, don't worry about it, just play good poker and money will come. Even then my sample size is too small, on 2+2 the high stakes gurus talk of running bad or good over 100k hands.

2) look for big potsizes, and start up short handed tables, fish are impatient, they don't want to wait on a big waiting list ofr a "good table" they want to gamble right away, so i sit there and they generally just come to me.

[Seasider]

2) look for big potsizes, and start up short handed tables, fish are impatient, they don't want to wait on a big waiting list ofr a "good table" they want to gamble right away, so i sit there and they generally just come to me.

Excellent point, there was a while when I was playing $25NL 6-max I used to base my entire table selection on this. I would just fire up two empty tables and wait. Inevitably a few will sit down with about 5-10$ and be pure gamblers. You can crush them with your stack and if they luck out just rebuy, you have them covered anyway . I found that by the time the table had 'stabalised' to a few regs you could have quite a nice stack built up. Of course by this time the stats in the lobby may have attracted a few sharks but they are normally easy to spot and if the table went bad I just got up and started again. I also enjoyed the relativly 'risk free' heads up experience.

I know this isn't a very scientific approach but it was one that worked for me at the 25 tables. Now I play at 50 I generally just look for big pot sizes and position on a few people I have favourable stats on. I think there are more solid players at $50 (although someone with about a 70% VP$IP over 40 hands pushed his 99 pre-flop into my KK yesterday to hit a 9 on the turn but i'll be searching his name from now on! ); so the let them come to you may not be as effective.

[Miffed22001]

top points made by bmx

i like reasonably big pots with lots of players seeing the flop
tends to suggest that their are few preflop raises, so cheap flops and that ppl are either betting wealky over a few streets or you have a few calling stations.
Whichever it is its usually +ev

[Fnord]

1) What is considered a "good" win-rate at the NL100 6-max game? I'm currently running at 18bb/100 over 7.5k hands.

You are running very very very good. Come back after you hit the inevitable 8-10 buy-in downswing.

[UG]

1) What is considered a "good" win-rate at the NL100 6-max game? I'm currently running at 18bb/100 over 7.5k hands.

You are running very very very good. Come back after you hit the inevitable 8-10 buy-in downswing.

Hi. I'm here. I'm on a current 5 buy-in downswing. It's fun.

I figured that was a ridiculous number, but thought I'd ask anyway.