post-oak and dry-side pot bluff?

[natdang]

Okay, so I'm reading some article by negreanu, and he's tossing these terms around... wtf do they mean?

[mb2447]

a post-oak bluff is a small (in comparison to the pot) bet made on the river or on later streets in general, and is meant to be seen as a weak lead masking strength. Different from most bluffs, as you're not pushing monstrous amounts of money into the pot to make it too risky for your opponent to fold. Your opponent has to be aware and thinking for this to work. Don't bother trying this at low limits.

a dry-side pot bluff occurs if you're in a pot with at least two other people and at least one person is all-in and there is no money yet in any side pots, and you bet into a dry (empty) side pot with rags. I suppose this would make sense if you put your opponent on a draw, but a pure bluff with no idea of your opp's holdings makes no sense, because at best you are getting him to fold (winning you no money from the side pot) and at worst he calls you and you lose money. So on average and in most situations (discounting image, forcing out draws, etc.) this is a poor move.

i think thats all right.

[Les_Worm]

{moved from holdem strats}

[Staresy]

a post-oak bluff is a small (in comparison to the pot) bet made on the river or on later streets in general, and is meant to be seen as a weak lead masking strength. Different from most bluffs, as you're not pushing monstrous amounts of money into the pot to make it too risky for your opponent to fold. Your opponent has to be aware and thinking for this to work. Don't bother trying this at low limits.

a dry-side pot bluff occurs if you're in a pot with at least two other people and at least one person is all-in and there is no money yet in any side pots, and you bet into a dry (empty) side pot with rags. I suppose this would make sense if you put your opponent on a draw, but a pure bluff with no idea of your opp's holdings makes no sense, because at best you are getting him to fold (winning you no money from the side pot) and at worst he calls you and you lose money. So on average and in most situations (discounting image, forcing out draws, etc.) this is a poor move.

i think thats all right.

yeah, that's pretty much it. I would also add though on 2. that when you are in a tourney, the point of checking down a pot (and not bluffing at a dry side pot) is to increase the chances of knocking a player out. Having 2 people in with an all-in player increases that chance. By bluffing someone out, you (a) increase shorties chances of survival whilst (b) winning NO extra chips for yourself. Even if shorty wins, he still only wins the money he would have won anyway with two of you going to showdown.

[SinkRox]

dry side pot bluffs are terrible plays in tournys cos the bluffer is giving the allin stack a better chance to survive.