Attn HU Players: BR strategies ROI and Profitabilty

[locks1018]

I have been mainly a sng player and have achieved moderate success over the last couple of months but I was thinking of focusing on more HU matches.

I know HU has more variance than regular sng's so I didn't know what type of bankroll requirements were needed. Also, what type of ROI should I aim for and is can you really make money playing just HU? Even, if you win 50% of the time, you're losing because of the rake.

I was figuring that I could possibly play Double Shootouts instead of regular HU because it offers more profit for the same buy-in and it has less rake than a regular sng even though you can't really multi-table HU (IMO). Any feedback is greatly appreciated.

[drmcboy]

my problem with HU is, the guy either is a fish, or isn't. The more dead money involved, the better.

[zarry]

my problem with HU is, the guy either is a fish, or isn't. The more dead money involved, the better.

Exactly... I would recomend stars 4 way heads up matches those give you 4x the money and I think there as easy as taking down a single heads up... I am not sure as to an ROI expected or BR since I only play SnG's and occasionally the heads up for fun...

I would assume a usual br for the buyin 5%-10% of ur Br at risk per day?

[andy-akb]

There are a lot of misconceptions in this thread.

First, the variance in HU SNGs is much lower and it should be clear why, you are playing deepstacked so there is more room to play.

From NoahSD at 2+2:
"The standard deviation of a HU SnG is just SQRT(wW^2 + lL^2) where w is chance of winning, W is amount you win, l is chance of losing and L is amount you lose. If you're a 50/50 player, for example, the SD of a 10.50 HU SnG is ~$10.01.

For a ten-person SnG, your SD is SQRT((w1)(W1)^2 + (w2)(W2)^ + (w3)(W3)^2 + lL^2), where w1 is your chance of coming in first and W1 is what you earn for first. If you're an average player in the $11s, your SD for one trial is $16.76.

This effect actually increases as a player becomes better (which is why you need less than 5/8 the BR to play HU SnGs)."

I think its possible to get buy on between 10-15 buyins, I dont know if id be comfortable with that though, it really is based on your comfort zone.

Thinking your ROI would be higher in the shootout matches is wrong as well. Most math shows there to be a very negligible difference between the two and that if there is a benefit from either it would be the single matches because of a decreased variance and a quicker turnover rate.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...fpart=all&vc=1

Read that for the math behind my statement.

As far as ROI/ITM figures, at lower stakes I believe a 70% ITM rate to be near the maximum, figure out ROI based on that.