Medium pocket pair play

[ProZachNation]

No real reads on this guy

What do you think of my line?

PokerStars Game #4275066766: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2006/03/13 - 14:35:43 (ET)
Table 'Gienah III' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: timleery ($9.65 in chips)
Seat 3: Hovardio ($10.80 in chips)
Seat 5: jantje123 ($10.45 in chips)
Seat 6: the_muldoon ($8.50 in chips)
Seat 7: cditttymacda ($13.20 in chips)
Seat 9: ProZachNatio ($9.10 in chips)
cditttymacda: posts small blind $0.05
ProZachNatio: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ProZachNatio [8d 8h]
Loop#16 joins the table at seat #2
timleery: folds
Hovardio: folds
jantje123: folds
the_muldoon: raises $0.20 to $0.30
cditttymacda: folds
cditttymacda is sitting out
ProZachNatio: calls $0.20
*** FLOP *** [5c 3h 7c]
cditttymacda leaves the table
MrLynX joins the table at seat #4
ProZachNatio: bets $0.30
the_muldoon: raises $0.70 to $1
ProZachNatio: raises $2 to $3
Lanimo joins the table at seat #7
the_muldoon: calls $2
*** TURN *** [5c 3h 7c] [3c]
ProZachNatio: bets $3
the_muldoon: raises $2.20 to $5.20 and is all-in
MD & DAD joins the table at seat #8
ProZachNatio: calls $2.20

[nutsinho]

gross...you can safely check/fold the turn

[Fnord]

You're rarely good here.

[ProZachNation]

Can anyone explain or go into more depth on what I can put him on here? Or how I could figure out how to put him on a hand here.

[Fnord]

A set or bigger pair.

[bdawg56kg]

Lead for at least 3/4 pot (full pot would be better here) or check and see what happens. I hate the flop 3-bet. If you're willing to go to the felt here, I would CR AI a safe turn, but that's besides the point because as Fnord said, you're rarely good here.

[nutsinho]

Once he calls a 3bet, unless he is a COMPLETE asswipe, he has a big pair, a set, or two high clubs. Thus, the third club on the turn solidifies the fact that you're drawing to two outs.

[ProZachNation]

Once he calls a 3bet, unless he is a COMPLETE asswipe, he has a big pair, a set, or two high clubs. Thus, the third club on the turn solidifies the fact that you're drawing to two outs.

ORLY?

I actually put him on two over likes AT+ buuuuuuuuut heres what he did have......



*** RIVER *** [5c 3h 7c 3c] [4c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ProZachNatio: shows [8d 8h] (two pair, Eights and Threes)
the_muldoon: mucks hand
ProZachNatio collected $16.25 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $17.05 | Rake $0.80
Board [5c 3h 7c 3c 4c]
Seat 1: timleery folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Hovardio folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: jantje123 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: the_muldoon (button) mucked [Qs 5d]
Seat 7: cditttymacda (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: ProZachNatio (big blind) showed [8d 8h] and won ($16.25) with two pair, Eights and Threes

Im lucky his fool ass didnt have a club.

[Fnord]

*laugh*

With no read or reason to think he's terrible, you lose this hand a lot. However, it's easy to under-estimate how often you are good here once you learn to play tight poker. In any case, that's poker baby. Pay more attention and move onto the next hand.

[nutsinho]

so he was a complete asswipe...you said you didn't have any reads so you can't really brag about this

[biondino]

Thing is, Zach, even at $25NL this will lose you LOTS of money. He is telling you, repeatedly, that he has a strong hand. He *could* mean A7, feasibly, but a lower PP isn't happening unless it setted for him (and microlimit donks just don't ever raise PF with a low PP). I would have probably put him on TT-QQ, I think, but the key thing here is that he re-raises you on both the flop and, even after your re-re-raise, on the turn. In a novice player this will almost always mean a better hand.

You have put 2/3 of a stack in here with a mid pair on a co-ordinated board against a villain showing a LOT of strength. It'll usually end in tears.

[Miffed22001]

the flop line is horrible IMO
note: IMO!