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[fasin8ing]

Push or no push?

0/0 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 21005373) - Tue Mar 14 00:47:08 EST 2006
Table Speed Happy Together (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 1: fasin8ing1 (8710)
Seat 5: hoovsurdaddy (11290)
fasin8ing1 posts ante (25)
hoovsurdaddy posts ante (25)
hoovsurdaddy posts small blind (400)
fasin8ing1 posts big blind (800)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to fasin8ing1 [ As, 4d ]
hoovsurdaddy raises (1200) to 1600
fasin8ing1 calls (800)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 8d, 8s, Ad ]

[LeFou]

Twice every day. Three times on Sunday.

[GatorJH]

In a fricken heartbeat. Even if he has an A with a higher kicker you still have a great shot at splitting the pot (unless he has AK or AQ).

[fasin8ing]

He min raised the flop ... 8 is not out of the question. Min raised with a A higher kicker? Maybe A 8 ... Would it be ok to throw down 800 on the flop ???? Or push all day ... every day?

[LeFou]

I push EVERY SINGLE DAY with the possible exception of January 22, 2008. I have a dentist's appointment that day.

[fasin8ing]

I push EVERY SINGLE DAY with the possible exception of January 22, 2008. I have a dentist's appointment that day.

I should have gotten my tooth pulled out.. Kinda the same feeling. You really schedule out that far? Impressive.

Results - Only cause .. ummmm.. Im still pushing next time and the time after and time after that.


0/0 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 21005373) - Tue Mar 14 00:47:08 EST 2006
Table Speed Happy Together (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 1: fasin8ing1 (8710)
Seat 5: hoovsurdaddy (11290)
fasin8ing1 posts ante (25)
hoovsurdaddy posts ante (25)
hoovsurdaddy posts small blind (400)
fasin8ing1 posts big blind (800)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to fasin8ing1 [ As, 4d ]
hoovsurdaddy raises (1200) to 1600
fasin8ing1 calls (800)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 8d, 8s, Ad ]
fasin8ing1 bets (7085)
fasin8ing1 is all-In.
hoovsurdaddy calls (7085)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 8c ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 5c ]
Creating Main Pot with $17420 with fasin8ing1
** Summary **
Main Pot: 17420 |
Board: [ 8d 8s Ad 8c 5c ]

fasin8ing1 balance 0, lost 8710 [ As 4d ] [ a full house, Eights full of aces -- As,Ad,8d,8s,8c ]
hoovsurdaddy balance 20000, bet 8710, collected 17420, net +8710 [ 8h Kd ] [ four of a kind, eights -- Ad,8h,8d,8s,8c
fasin8ing1 said: awwwwww dudeeeeeeeee

[GatorJH]

That wouldn't faze me one bit. I would still push that flop in a fricken heartbeat EVERY minute of every hour of every day.

[fasin8ing]

Im still pushing next time and the time after and time after that.

Gator.. I agree.

[drmcboy]

I'm checking trying to make sure I get my chips in and can pick off a cont bet. Certainly you aren't folding here.

[GatorJH]

I'm checking trying to make sure I get my chips in and can pick off a cont bet. Certainly you aren't folding here.

Slow playing/trapping is certainly an option here. In this case I would push because people tend to be overly aggressive in the first couple of heads up hands, which may make this look like a steal attempt.

I can certainly see the value in check/raising though if you think your opponent will bet.

[drmcboy]

What is the value of the push? HU I'm not too worried about the flush draw and I expect him to lead here. The problem with flat push is you're typically only going to be called by another A, which you may or may not be ahead of. Check lets you pick up chips from any hand. It may LOOK like a steal, but surely you aren't saying you expect a call from K high or 66?

[Scuba Chuck]

[quote="drmcboy"]What is the value of the push? [quote]

Finally, someone with some reason. Fasin8ting, this was my reason for you to seperate this hand from your other post.

[GatorJH]

What is the value of the push? HU I'm not too worried about the flush draw and I expect him to lead here. The problem with flat push is you're typically only going to be called by another A, which you may or may not be ahead of. Check lets you pick up chips from any hand. It may LOOK like a steal, but surely you aren't saying you expect a call from K high or 66?

Good points

[LeFou]

i think a push gets called by any pp half the time.
when you push this board, it does not actually LOOK like you really have an ace.

[drmcboy]

if opp has a PP, you're saying he's more likley to call the push than lead himself? That just doesn't make any sense. He's drawing to a two outer if worst case he checks behind, and then you actually have disguised your hand for your turn push.

[GatorJH]

If opp has a pp and DOESN'T lead out, he certainly isn't going to call a push, unless he is trying to trap you.

[STIdrivr]

i go for a check raise here.

[fasin8ing]

i think a push gets called by any pp half the time.
when you push this board, it does not actually LOOK like you really have an ace.

What does it look like ? An eight?? right.. So if I had any PP .. Iam not calling that broke ass flop. I dunno.. man.. I think I pick better spots with the blinds @ 400 and 800 .. My M is still at 10 .. and I dont even think its good enough to risk with any PP JJ and below.. anything above that Id be pushing to start with. I mean .. holding an ace on that flop you hope he has an ace for a split. Dude pulled these quads out his rear. Tough one.. I look back now and think a check raise... fold to an all in would be fine. However; with another 8 .. I couldnt lay down a boat.. I go broke with this hand.. And I did..