River boat

[johnny_fish]

Villain is a bit loose/passive, but not a donk.

** Game ID 721165247 starting - 2006-03-15 02:53:20
** No More Cry [Hold 'em] (2.00|4.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- 2gaddar sitting in seat 1 with $461.80 [Dealer]
- _RA1SER_ sitting in seat 2 with $161.00
- Orion4 sitting in seat 3 with $88.60
- Mofflowis sitting in seat 4 with $371.00
- Given sitting in seat 5 with $653.51
- bigcanefan sitting in seat 6 with $479.40
- JUNIORMAFIA sitting in seat 7 with $249.76
- DaBear sitting in seat 8 with $354.00
- johnny291281 sitting in seat 9 with $441.00
- mat32111 sitting in seat 10 with $143.22

_RA1SER_ posted the small blind - $2.00
Orion4 posted the big blind - $4.00
** Dealing card to johnny291281: Jack of Spades, Jack of Diamonds
Mofflowis folded
Given folded
bigcanefan called - $4.00
JUNIORMAFIA folded
DaBear folded
johnny291281 raised - $16.00
mat32111 folded
2gaddar folded
_RA1SER_ folded
Orion4 folded
bigcanefan called - $16.00

** Dealing the flop: King of Clubs, Ace of Clubs, 8 of Clubs
bigcanefan checked
johnny291281 bet - $30.00
bigcanefan called - $30.00

** Dealing the turn: 8 of Spades
bigcanefan checked
johnny291281 checked

** Dealing the river: Jack of Clubs
bigcanefan bet - $52.00
johnny291281 raised - $150.00
bigcanefan went all-in - $381.40
johnny291281 ??

[bdawg56kg]

Insta-call. You're getting 3-1, I don't see how you can fold this unless this guy is a super-rock. If I raise this river like you did, it's done with the full intent of calling a push. You just aren't deep enough to be thinking about laying this down. 200BB stacks and this becomes a tougher situation...

[nutsinho]

I would probably instacall if I were playing the hand but I really think he has quads...

[Miffed22001]

I would probably instacall if I were playing the hand but I really think he has quads...

even if he turns that over, and it seems likely unless hes playing for stacks with the straight/two pair which is awful id be happy to go bust to a better hand considering my holding.

[johnny_fish]

Thanks for the replies. I was running bad yesterday and this hand was just enough to piss me really off (didn't tilt though).

The problem in this hand is that I can't put him on a reasonable hand that I beat. But the hands that beat me seem very unlikely too, so I guess I have to pay him off anyway.

Villain showed KK btw. Add note: very passive

[STIdrivr]

if the river J wasnt a club it would be a tougher call. But the way it was played i think you gotta pay him off on river.

[nutsinho]

if the river J wasnt a club it would be an easier call. But the way it was played i think you still gotta pay him off on river.

FYP

(one of the 4 legitimate 3-bet hands is made by the Jc)

[johnny_fish]

Calling PFR with KK is clearly +EV.

** Game ID 727065640 starting - 2006-03-20 01:47:32
** No More Cry [Hold 'em] (2.00|4.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- MrPurfect sitting in seat 1 with $541.10
- TH45 sitting in seat 2 with $675.85
- jessy83 sitting in seat 3 with $365.40 [Dealer]
- Awebberfan sitting in seat 4 with $475.70
- HB25 sitting in seat 5 with $183.13
- johnny291281 sitting in seat 6 with $701.92
- Given sitting in seat 7 with $519.20
- Gedwyn sitting in seat 8 with $401.70
- the_nine sitting in seat 9 with $403.40
- uzjedi sitting in seat 10 with $29.10

Awebberfan posted the small blind - $2.00
HB25 posted the big blind - $4.00

** Dealing card to johnny291281: 9 of Diamonds, 9 of Spades

johnny291281 raised - $12.00
Given called - $12.00
Gedwyn folded
the_nine folded
uzjedi folded
MrPurfect folded
TH45 folded
jessy83 folded
Awebberfan folded
HB25 folded

** Dealing the flop: 7 of Diamonds, 3 of Hearts, 9 of Clubs

johnny291281 checked
Given bet - $16.00
johnny291281 called - $16.00

** Dealing the turn: King of Diamonds

johnny291281 checked
Given bet - $32.00
johnny291281 raised - $75.00
Given raised - $118.00 yey, finally a set-over-set with me as the lucky winner.. Gotta be 77 or 33 right?
johnny291281 raised - $225.00
Given raised - $332.00 my confidence drops a bit..
johnny291281 went all-in - $448.92
Given went all-in - $159.20
Given shows: King of Hearts, King of Clubs *vomit*

** Dealing the river: 7 of Spades

Given wins $1041.40 from the main pot

End of game 727065640

[Miffed22001]

thats just horrible.

[Pelion]

Im sympathy vomiting for you johnny_fish

Oh yea... the first hand. Instacall.

As for Johnnys hand, has anyone ever lied to any of you about what they held? From what im starting to think its -EV to call when you cant beat the hand they say they have. Havnt seen anyone lie about it yet.