JJ in BB.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Game #1384310655 - (blinds $0.05/$0.10) No Limit Texas Hold'em - 2006/03/30-21:32:12.4 (CST) Table "Dominica" (real money) -- Seat 6 is the button Seat 1: dabastone ($8.55 in chips) Seat 2: rustyy ($18.79 in chips) Seat 3: JMW01 ($9.30 in chips) Seat 4: spade321 ($23.80 in chips) Seat 5: zaphodb73 ($17.30 in chips) Seat 6: Z.E.P. ($9.85 in chips) Seat 7: bacmayday ($8.55 in chips) Seat 8: redgrape ($9.90 in chips) Seat 9: smarauder6801 ($16.86 in chips) Seat 10: skibum455 ($5.00 in chips)
bacmayday: Post Small Blind ($0.05)
redgrape: Post Big Blind ($0.10)
skibum455: Post ($0.10)
Dealing...
Dealt to redgrape [ Jh ]
Dealt to redgrape [ Jd ]
smarauder6801: Raise ($2)
skibum455: Fold
dabastone: Call ($2)
rustyy : Fold
JMW01 : Fold
spade321: Fold
zaphodb73: Fold
Z.E.P. : Fold
bacmayday: Fold
redgrape???


I'm in the BB, i can't just call can i? Isn't this too good a hand to fold?

[jackvance]

Really depends on your reads. Normally you'd expect atleast one of them to have AA/KK/QQ/AK. But if they've played like idiots before, you could think about a little gamble. "Standard" I'd fold this, but I've seen so many of these things end up as A4 vs K7 or 33 vs 88..

(and with a bigger BR I'd probably gamble these more often)

[Miffed22001]

what the heck site is this?

i have to say my temptation is push. is a 20bbs raise utg really kk or aa? I think more likely 99/tt

[Renton]

I fold. JJ is nothing without initiative. Thats where it gets all its juice.

[IowaSkinsFan]

with QQ is it different?

[jackvance]

Yeah with QQ I'd push this. You're only dominated by AA/KK now, cointoss vs AK, and you upgrade from cointoss to domination on two more hands that these kinds of guys get major confidence from: AQ KQ.

My general rule of thumb is AA/KK if they've been camping all day, doing nothing, and then throw an all-in, AA/KK/QQ/AK vs the more frequent pushers. Not that you can't play TT, but I like the better odds here.

For reference in a 3-way QQ vs AJ vs KQ you got 44.5% to take the pot with your QQ.

(with KK here you'd have 49.5%, with AA 62%.. but yeah, AA is ofcourse the granddaddy of all starting hands)

[Renton]

ya QQ is different

its the third best hand whereas JJ is the fifth

[jackvance]

Just in. Got AJ. Raise 3BB. $2.5 guy throws himself all-in. Ok let's see it. KJ. Easy money. Hm, sat down with $6, stepped out 20 mins later with $13.50. I'm really bracing myself for downswings now..

(I even managed to make $2 off of a pure uncut bluff.. threw a lot of money on the table on the turn, he had to think hard before he folded, so he probably folded the better hand to my A high.. there were two 8s on the table after the turn, and he didn't have em, so I figured he might be afraid I did and gambled.. I also had the intimidation factor due to winning before, and I had seen him fold a lesser hand in the past)

[freechus9]

Just in. Got AJ. Raise 3BB. $2.5 guy throws himself all-in. Ok let's see it. KJ. Easy money. Hm, sat down with $6, stepped out 20 mins later with $13.50. I'm really bracing myself for downswings now..

(I even managed to make $2 off of a pure uncut bluff.. threw a lot of money on the table on the turn, he had to think hard before he folded, so he probably folded the better hand to my A high.. there were two 8s on the table after the turn, and he didn't have em, so I figured he might be afraid I did and gambled.. I also had the intimidation factor due to winning before, and I had seen him fold a lesser hand in the past)

I don't really understand this reply.

[jackvance]

Just to illustrate the kinds of hands people at 10NL will throw an all-in with.

[Miffed22001]

make hands overbet them grossly
thats how you run high at 10nl.

[BankItDrew]

Most important question: How big are their stacks? If small, push. If large enough, call for a set.

Whenever someone makes a raise, one of the firsts thing you should do is look at the size of their stack. So, post stack sizes next time please!

[IowaSkinsFan]

the stacks are there, it's just kinda of hard to read.

the raiser had me covered and the caller had $8.55