You are villain.

[fasin8ing]

Damn it I didnt reload in time... However.. This 5 dollar raise appear to be a semi bluff? With A Q, or A J , A K would you push over my 5 dollar raise? And yes you are not supposed to know what I have.


#Game No : 4202291359
***** Hand History for Game 4202291359 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, May 06, 19:18:45 ET 2006
Table Table 95738 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: tact1c ( $21.55 )
Seat 4: cortjstr ( $20.70 )
Seat 6: eowan ( $9.11 )
Seat 9: timbob101 ( $15.45 )
Seat 10: alphashemale ( $17.75 )
Seat 7: fasin8ing1 ( $19.85 )
Seat 1: lbizzyy ( $29.84 )
Seat 5: Shinnyshell ( $27.65 )
Seat 3: tkehrer ( $14.15 )
Seat 8: HonestIago ( $30.55 )
tkehrer posts small blind [$0.10].
cortjstr posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to fasin8ing1 [ *c &d ]
Shinnyshell folds.
eowan calls [$0.25].
fasin8ing1 calls [$0.25].
HonestIago raises [$1.25]. [ Ah Qs ]
timbob101 folds.
alphashemale folds.
lbizzyy folds.
tact1c folds.
tkehrer folds.
cortjstr folds.
eowan folds.
fasin8ing1 calls [$1].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7d, 9c, Ah ]
fasin8ing1 checks.
HonestIago bets [$1.50].
fasin8ing1 calls [$1.50].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Kc ]
fasin8ing1 checks.
HonestIago bets [$3].
fasin8ing1 raises [$8].
HonestIago?????????????????????????????????????

[Greedo017]

i would just call and try to check behind on the river with aq/aj/at, with ak i would reraise you maybe all in

[gabe]

i would fold, but since you are probably playing with bad players i doubt thats what he did

[bdawg56kg]

I like a turn check sometimes, but I would probably fold to the cr.

To the OP, from the way you wrote up this post I'm guessing you tried to bluff and he called you down. The point is that playing with bad players, it makes no sense to get worked up over the fact that they made a bad play and "should've folded". Don't forget, that is where most of your profit comes from. If this wasn't the point of your post, then never mind this.

[fasin8ing]

i would fold, but since you are probably playing with bad players i doubt thats what he did

No such thing as bad players Gabe. There are players however that lack instestinial fortitude.

[fasin8ing]

I like a turn check sometimes, but I would probably fold to the cr.

To the OP, from the way you wrote up this post I'm guessing you tried to bluff and he called you down. The point is that playing with bad players, it makes no sense to get worked up over the fact that they made a bad play and "should've folded". Don't forget, that is where most of your profit comes from. If this wasn't the point of your post, then never mind this.

No I had a set of nines.. He had A Q, I was wondering if my cr with that second club appeared to be a semi bluff. If you have Ace Queen, and that king comes off and get CR'd you still fold? I was thinking the most of my value that comes from my sets are in situations like this one. I know honestigo has an Ace something... Its awesome to set him up as if I have a King something with a set of my 9's.

[yorib]

It really depends on how you've played and how the table has played (recently). If the table is super tight, I fold (reluctantly). Given that everyone else folded, it seems kind of tight.
If I didn't fold, I'd call and see what happened on the next card. If it was any scare card I'd fold (to a bet).

There is absolutely no way I'd put you on a semi bluff with a c/r, I (a learning and not very good $10NL/$25NL equate c/r with either an all out bluff, or set+).

Why not call, and toss out an overbet on the river? Make it look like you chased, failed and are bluffing? That is callable.

[stuck]

There is absolutely no way I'd put you on a semi bluff with a c/r, I (a learning and not very good $10NL/$25NL equate c/r with either an all out bluff, or set+).

Really? I don't think I ever thought that when I played at those levels. Maybe I'm an anomally?

[fasin8ing]

It really depends on how you've played and how the table has played (recently). If the table is super tight, I fold (reluctantly). Given that everyone else folded, it seems kind of tight.
If I didn't fold, I'd call and see what happened on the next card. If it was any scare card I'd fold (to a bet).

There is absolutely no way I'd put you on a semi bluff with a c/r, I (a learning and not very good $10NL/$25NL equate c/r with either an all out bluff, or set+).

Why not call, and toss out an overbet on the river? Make it look like you chased, failed and are bluffing? That is callable.

Really? I don't think I ever thought that when I played at those levels. Maybe I'm an anomally?

So you guys saying a CR like this at 25 NL is almost never a semi bluff? And you wouldnt be CRing to set up a made flush or something? I really can be honest .. Since I have been playing ring, only for a month I dont really mess with drawing hands... They are a tad too expensive for my liking. You almost never get good odds to chase. Implied odds are great, but Iam starting to look towards the how do I defend my set against the FD'rs .... Suited connectors and suited shit arent part of my game right now.

Is overbetting like that as a donked up value bet profitable?

[crushednuts]

most players at $25 NL couldn't spell semi-bulff ...darn..bluff....
Yes overbetting is profitable...donks seem to always read it as a bluff (He can't have a set....I have a PAIR) and only fold if they missed their draw.

Semibluffing--and bluffing at all (except c-bets of course) in general in the $25 NL is ill advised. I rarely read players for a semi-bluff. Too often that seems like just a way to justify putting more chips in w/ a loser

[fasin8ing]

Well fuck I should just flat out bet 10 bucks on every flop .. LOL.. kidding.

I just read something from FNORD talking about making it 5 to go on a flop where the pot was like 2 bucks. Umm... I dont know... I like building the pot and then letting them hang themselves. This will take some adjusting.

[crushednuts]

They always seem to think its a bluff. I just made $22 dollars in an hour playing 5c-10c no limit. Had 77 flope was 763 two diamonds. Moved all in for 10 dollars (pot was around 4) got called by a guy w/ AT of diamonds. Turn was a 6 . This stuff happens all the time...

[yorib]

<<So you guys saying a CR like this at 25 NL is almost never a semi bluff? And you wouldnt be CRing to set up a made flush or something? I really can be honest .. Since I have been playing ring, only for a month I dont really mess with drawing hands... They are a tad too expensive for my liking. You almost never get good odds to chase. Implied odds are great, but Iam starting to look towards the how do I defend my set against the FD'rs .... Suited connectors and suited shit arent part of my game right now.

Is overbetting like that as a donked up value bet profitable?>>

I've seen plenty of people call an overbet with a drawing hand, but at lower limits people almost always bet their hand. I've seen c/r bluffs from people who are tired of getting run over (they'll fold to a reraise), or those with monsters who want to get as much in the pot as possible.

If a lot of poeple are seeing the flop, drawing hands can be very profitable. People at lower limits love to chase flushes.

In your situation, overbetting would have had a higher likelihood of succeeding (on the river if you called all the way down) than a c/r. There it looks like a poorly executed bluff. Overbetting can work, people love to call at lower levels. Yesterday at Paradise $10NL I watched someone routinely push with the nuts. (AA preflop or top set post flop). Without fail he got called. (Unfortunately, I found this out the hard way by flopping a set of 3 on a 346 rainbow, a 4 fell on the turn he pushed and I called.)

Overbetting is more likely to get called than a "reasonable" bet in many cases. Then again, I'm not at $25NL much.

[crushednuts]

I love drawing to flushes when I get decent odds because the implied odds are pretty good (even tho they are less than w/ sets and straights). I just really don't like to semibluff. A semibluff is an advanced play worthy of advanced players. To a donk they will think it is a bluff (not a semi-bluff) and will fold only if they have no hand at all (in which case your hand is probably already good if you are drawing to the nut flush WHICH YOU HAD BETTER BE). Use the fact that they get attached to their hands to profit when you hit your draw. Simply call their flop bet and bet big if you hit it, check/call w/ good odds if you miss.

For example, playing 5c-10c NL today I had KQ and limped from middle position the flop was JT2 rainbow. UTG bet 10c and the pot was around 60c. I flat called and so did 5 other people. The turn was the Ace of hearts, giving me the nuts. the guy first to act now bet 1.50 and I pushed all in for 6 dollars and was instantly called. He mucked a pair of aces on the river....Little did I know my K and Q outs were good going into the turn...

I probably played this a little too passively but why drive out the extra callers behind me when the game is so passive post-flop?? Raising on the flop would be a semi-bluff and would have pushed out the original bettor who had Ace high who ended up playing me off!

[fasin8ing]

I probably played this a little too passively but why drive out the extra callers behind me when the game is so passive post-flop??

Nothing wrong with limping K Q in a passive game.