Tough hands from Saturday...

[Renton]

I had my worst day ever yesterday. I played for 4000 hands (a personal best), felt like I played at least my B+ game, and ended down two buyins. (I know it don't seem like that bad of a day, but at one point I was down nearly 1k.)

I took a lot of bad beats and obviously there's not much I can do about those, but this session was so bad because I was just thrust into so many sticky situations. There weren't any easy decisions. Every time I flopped something big, I was potentially (and often actually) up against an even bigger monster.

Just try to tell me if I played these ok. I am not only posting losing hands, so don't immediately assume I lost the hand when you read and comment upon it.


#1 Villain is 36/4 for a small sample. I dunno why he opened for 6x, but hadn't notice what his standard opener was. I figured him for a strong hand considering he only raises 4%. I was only praying to god that it was AQ+.

***** Hand History for Game 4201205658 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, May 06, 16:49:39 ET 2006
Table Kingsville (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 3: shep3892 ( $194.19 )
Seat 10: SevenCardDud ( $228.77 )
Seat 8: Renton555 ( $214.40 )
Seat 6: fish32 ( $152.80 )
Seat 1: JedaLeeJay ( $378.50 )
Seat 2: tornado88 ( $196.60 )
Seat 9: inuendo13 ( $66.54 )
Seat 4: iamquiting ( $139.25 )
Seat 5: RawPokerPro ( $198 )
Seat 7: CASTOR ( $42 )
inuendo13 posts small blind [$1].
SevenCardDud posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Renton555 [ 5s 5c ]
JedaLeeJay folds.
tornado88 folds.
shep3892 raises [$12].
iamquiting folds.
RawPokerPro folds.
CASTOR could not respond in time.(disconnected)
CASTOR folds.
Renton555 calls [$12].
inuendo13 folds.
SevenCardDud folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2s, As, 5h ]
shep3892 bets [$12].
Renton555 raises [$30].
shep3892 raises [$36].
Renton555 calls [$18].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qh ]
shep3892 bets [$35].
Renton555 calls [$35].
** Dealing River ** [ 9c ]
shep3892 is all-In.
Renton555 calls [$99.19].




#2 Villain is 46/6 over a small sample. Am I good enough on the end here to make this call (getting great odds)?

***** Hand History for Game 4200770019 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, May 06, 15:45:26 ET 2006
Table Flos Lunae (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: tdcoleph ( $152.35 )
Seat 3: jspin1 ( $329.97 )
Seat 7: mikla555 ( $287.95 )
Seat 8: tjplnp ( $287.92 )
Seat 9: Renton555 ( $231 )
Seat 1: AllTheFish ( $188.70 )
Seat 4: EightballMan ( $329.90 )
Seat 6: venerable1 ( $179 )
Seat 10: TreyBizNaz ( $185.67 )
Seat 5: guyhiggin1 ( $172.44 )
tjplnp posts small blind [$1].
Renton555 posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Renton555 [ 2c 3c ]
TreyBizNaz folds.
AllTheFish folds.
tdcoleph folds.
EightballMan folds.
venerable1 calls [$2].
mikla555 folds.
tjplnp raises [$3].
Renton555 calls [$2].
venerable1 calls [$2].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7h, 7c, Ac ]
tjplnp bets [$3].
Renton555 raises [$9].
venerable1 folds.
tjplnp calls [$6].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Kh ]
tjplnp bets [$5].
Renton555 calls [$5].
** Dealing River ** [ 6c ]
tjplnp bets [$8].
Renton555 raises [$38].
tjplnp raises [$77].
Renton555 calls [$47].




#3 Just your average shortstack fishies.

***** Hand History for Game 4203918436 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, May 06, 22:42:30 ET 2006
Table Table 95953 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 10: JackspadeA8 ( $191.32 )
Seat 6: Renton555 ( $390.60 )
Seat 2: ElskerPiger ( $289.35 )
Seat 3: stnick87 ( $185.64 )
Seat 9: roosta09 ( $51.91 )
Seat 7: catdaddy597 ( $83.07 )
Seat 4: deep_impact ( $255.60 )
Seat 8: ugaunc ( $0 )
Seat 1: MRS_MARY ( $37 )
Seat 5: jh174 ( $208.10 )
stnick87 posts small blind [$1].
deep_impact posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Renton555 [ Kc Kh ]
jh174 calls [$2].
ugaunc has left the table.
Renton555 raises [$8].
catdaddy597 calls [$8].
roosta09 calls [$8].
JackspadeA8 folds.
MRS_MARY folds.
ElskerPiger folds.
stnick87 folds.
greenman4444 has joined the table.
deep_impact folds.
jh174 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4d, 9h, 8h ]
Renton555 bets [$22].
catdaddy597 calls [$22].
roosta09 is all-In.
Renton555 calls [$21.91].
catdaddy597 calls [$21.91].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2c ]
Renton555 bets [$32].
catdaddy597 folds.
** Dealing River ** [ 6h ]




#4 No reads. Was this call on the end weak (as in, should I have pushed)?

***** Hand History for Game 4200643550 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, May 06, 15:25:04 ET 2006
Table Table 96349 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: RUBYC0N ( $343 )
Seat 2: henrys12 ( $143.30 )
Seat 3: peterhlam ( $97.23 )
Seat 5: TTMORIN ( $371.65 )
Seat 7: cubanshrink ( $135.50 )
Seat 8: MexRican ( $276.07 )
Seat 4: Renton555 ( $200 )
Seat 10: dave1979777 ( $197 )
Seat 9: M4vr1k ( $107 )
Seat 6: DayOfLight ( $40 )
peterhlam posts small blind [$1].
Renton555 posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Renton555 [ 6h Qc ]
TTMORIN calls [$2].
cubanshrink calls [$2].
MexRican folds.
M4vr1k folds.
dave1979777 folds.
RUBYC0N folds.
henrys12 folds.
peterhlam calls [$1].
Renton555 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3h, 4d, 6c ]
peterhlam checks.
Renton555 bets [$3.70].
TTMORIN raises [$7.40].
cubanshrink folds.
peterhlam folds.
Renton555 calls [$3.70].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6s ]
Renton555 checks.
TTMORIN bets [$21.70].
Renton555 calls [$21.70].
** Dealing River ** [ Ah ]
Renton555 checks.
TTMORIN bets [$2].
Renton555 raises [$40].
TTMORIN raises [$76].
Renton555 calls [$38].




#5

***** Hand History for Game 4201962152 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, May 06, 18:37:06 ET 2006
Table Kingsville (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 8: Renton555 ( $197 )
Seat 9: Beoupe ( $197 )
Seat 6: otto1959 ( $138.20 )
Seat 1: Remo149 ( $196.35 )
Seat 3: bossmanisme ( $190.95 )
Seat 4: Melea1 ( $216.55 )
Seat 10: Fold_Dummy ( $196 )
Seat 2: alexc7420 ( $84.75 )
Seat 5: guyhiggin1 ( $186.60 )
Seat 7: aceuvspades1 ( $200 )
Fold_Dummy posts small blind [$1].
Remo149 posts big blind [$2].
aceuvspades1 posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Renton555 [ 2h 3h ]
alexc7420 folds.
bossmanisme folds.
Melea1 folds.
guyhiggin1 folds.
otto1959 calls [$2].
aceuvspades1 checks.
Renton555 calls [$2].
Fold_Dummy calls [$1].
Remo149 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qh, 4d, 8h ]
Fold_Dummy bets [$6].
Remo149 folds.
otto1959 folds.
aceuvspades1 folds.
Renton555 raises [$15].
Fold_Dummy calls [$9].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6c ]
Fold_Dummy checks.
Renton555 checks.
** Dealing River ** [ 6h ]
Fold_Dummy bets [$40].
Renton555 calls [$40].




#6 Villain is a bad LAgg and bluffs compulsively. After this hand I won a huge pot off him with unimproved JJ on a K high flop.

***** Hand History for Game 4200857594 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, May 06, 15:57:57 ET 2006
Table Table 96349 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: RUBYC0N ( $270.95 )
Seat 2: henrys12 ( $159.85 )
Seat 3: peterhlam ( $99.63 )
Seat 8: MexRican ( $276.47 )
Seat 4: Renton555 ( $214.60 )
Seat 10: dave1979777 ( $229.85 )
Seat 9: M4vr1k ( $101.60 )
Seat 6: DayOfLight ( $48 )
Seat 5: wolson2 ( $209.75 )
Seat 7: outdrawed ( $198 )
peterhlam posts small blind [$1].
Renton555 posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Renton555 [ Js Ac ]
wolson2 folds.
DayOfLight folds.
outdrawed folds.
MexRican folds.
M4vr1k folds.
dave1979777 folds.
RUBYC0N raises [$6].
henrys12 calls [$6].
peterhlam folds.
Renton555 calls [$4].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3s, 5h, 9c ]
Renton555 checks.
RUBYC0N checks.
henrys12 checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Jd ]
Renton555 checks.
RUBYC0N bets [$10].
henrys12 folds.
Renton555 raises [$30].
RUBYC0N raises [$40].
Renton555 calls [$20].
** Dealing River ** [ 6s ]
Renton555 checks.
RUBYC0N bets [$50].
Renton555 calls [$50].




#7 Villain is 16/5.

***** Hand History for Game 4202479770 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, May 06, 19:41:56 ET 2006
Table Flos Lunae (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 9: Renton555 ( $200 )
Seat 5: tilted2tears ( $418.74 )
Seat 7: wwwPPCOMPScm ( $334.36 )
Seat 10: im8yearsold ( $139.80 )
Seat 1: Manglestein ( $226.10 )
Seat 4: Dannesan ( $222.55 )
Seat 8: planetenwill ( $37 )
Seat 2: TheAppointed ( $220.35 )
Seat 6: BotoxDoc ( $161.45 )
tilted2tears posts small blind [$1].
BotoxDoc posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Renton555 [ As Jh ]
wwwPPCOMPScm folds.
planetenwill folds.
Renton555 raises [$8].
im8yearsold folds.
Manglestein folds.
TheAppointed calls [$8].
Dannesan folds.
tilted2tears folds.
BotoxDoc folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9d, Ah, 3c ]
Renton555 bets [$11.50].
TheAppointed calls [$11.50].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ts ]
Renton555 bets [$22].
TheAppointed raises [$66].
Renton555 folds.
TheAppointed does not show cards.
TheAppointed wins $127




#8 Villain is 33/11 over a small sample.

***** Hand History for Game 4203138636 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, May 06, 21:01:25 ET 2006
Table Table 95989 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Renton555 ( $207.30 )
Seat 9: PartyGirl08 ( $437.17 )
Seat 6: MrWalt2 ( $228.99 )
Seat 8: Judgelaw ( $105.37 )
Seat 3: Wurffuls ( $217.19 )
Seat 2: im8yearsold ( $161.90 )
Seat 5: busiart ( $211.95 )
Seat 10: Off_Kilter ( $198 )
Seat 4: Jreif ( $199.18 )
Seat 7: DayOfLight ( $40 )
Jreif posts small blind [$1].
busiart posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Renton555 [ Ah Kh ]
MrWalt2 folds.
PartyGirl08 folds.
Off_Kilter raises [$5].
Renton555 raises [$15].
im8yearsold folds.
Wurffuls folds.
Jreif folds.
busiart folds.
Off_Kilter calls [$10].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6d, 5s, 7d ]
Off_Kilter checks.
Renton555 checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Kc ]
Off_Kilter bets [$15].
Renton555 calls [$15].
** Dealing River ** [ 2d ]
Off_Kilter bets [$60].
Renton555 calls [$60].




#9

***** Hand History for Game 4203920649 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, May 06, 22:42:48 ET 2006
Table Raise Over (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 7: Renton555 ( $450.78 )
Seat 10: Pavel55 ( $423.10 )
Seat 6: Wurffuls ( $342.97 )
Seat 4: Yakushev ( $282.30 )
Seat 5: PureGambler ( $197.20 )
Seat 1: PokerGriffin ( $212.60 )
Seat 2: horndan ( $95.45 )
Seat 9: jh174 ( $210.85 )
Seat 8: tun04 ( $154.50 )
Seat 3: youcanntwin2006 ( $200 )
Wurffuls posts small blind [$1].
Renton555 posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Renton555 [ 3c Ac ]
tun04 folds.
Pavel55 folds.
PokerGriffin folds.
horndan calls [$2].
youcanntwin2006 calls [$2].
Yakushev calls [$2].
PureGambler calls [$2].
Wurffuls calls [$1].
Renton555 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ah, 3h, 8d ]
Wurffuls checks.
Renton555 bets [$11].
horndan calls [$11].
youcanntwin2006 folds.
Yakushev folds.
PureGambler folds.
Wurffuls calls [$11].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2s ]
Wurffuls checks.
Renton555 bets [$25].
horndan calls [$25].
Wurffuls calls [$25].
** Dealing River ** [ Ks ]
Wurffuls checks.
Renton555 bets [$60].
horndan calls all-In.




#10 Just sat, player seems somewhat loose.

***** Hand History for Game 4203979484 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, May 06, 22:51:05 ET 2006
Table Table 107159 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 3: Renton555 ( $538.21 )
Seat 4: maluw ( $220.92 )
Seat 10: BABYDAVISLSU ( $191.23 )
Seat 7: ben_yew ( $247.52 )
Seat 6: fwspoor ( $236.88 )
Seat 5: jh174 ( $187 )
Seat 2: PureGambler ( $189.16 )
Seat 8: AntwanPatton ( $194 )
Seat 1: elbbarcs ( $44 )
Seat 9: IS97thenuts ( $147 )
elbbarcs posts small blind [$1].
PureGambler posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Renton555 [ Ad Ac ]
Renton555 raises [$8].
maluw folds.
jh174 folds.
fwspoor folds.
ben_yew calls [$8].
AntwanPatton folds.
IS97thenuts folds.
BABYDAVISLSU folds.
elbbarcs folds.
PureGambler calls [$6].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Td, 7d, 3d ]
PureGambler checks.
Renton555 bets [$13.75].
ben_yew is all-In.
PureGambler folds.
Renton555 calls [$225.77].

[gabe]

1 raise turn (maybe push)
2 fold to the last raise on river
3 yea
4 i might lead the turn or river, but nothing wrong with how you played it
5 raise or fold preflop. not enough people in the hand to make limping on button +ev on most tables.
6 good agaisnt that type of player
7 no reason to bet the turn against a 16/5
8 fine, but usually i bet flop
9 good
10 i used to always call these but i think that might have been a leak. depends on the state of the game, maybe.

[WhooFleuryScores]

First hand:I would try to get it all in on the flop or at least by the turn;there is a flush draw on the flop and turn presents potential Broadway draws as well.

Second hand: Flop raise is good;turn is ok(guess he sensed a raise for value on the flop).River a raise or call is ok;hopefully he doesn't show down a better flush or worse the full boat.

Third Hand: Looks ok;you should be good more often than not.

Fourth Hand: I'm not sure if I would call the flop as villain may have already flopped the straight.That being said turn is good;I think I would look to reraise or push here.River looks bad;not sure if he has you outkicked or had the straight for the goods.

Fifth Hand: I may bet turn to continue the pressure;checking behind leaves him option to bluff a nonheart river. That being said I raise river and call reraise praying he doesn't have the better flush.

Sixth hand: I think leading or CR the turn is fine.Hopefully he didn't slowplay some retard overpair with his donk check on the flop.There's a possibility he missed with AK and was looking to resteal it from you.

Seventh Hand: I might bet a little more on the flop;turn fold is ok since calling turn means you need to call the river too.

Eighth Hand: I might reraise a little more preflop.Flop I might lead out as well.Turn raise.River call is ok.

Ninth Hand: A pot lead out or CR is fine either way.Turn I would bet more or push.River is ok.

Tenth Hand: A fold is ok but I don't see how you can laydown Rockets when you have the diamond;villain could be donking a flush draw with the King as well.Could be a set;might not be dunno.Hands like this are why I often try to leave the table after I work up a deep stack;too easy to get pawned and end up going on semi TILT.

[yorib]

Hand 1: Small samples make it very tough. Pokerstove suggest your golden, but that's contingent on him doing what he did with AK/AQ. (Bet big, c-bet, reraise a reraise,etc.) But it really looks like a line from a guy flopping the nuts.
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt
4,356 games 0.005 secs 871,200 games/sec
Board: As 2s 5d Qc
Dead:
equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 78.9256 %78.93% 00.00% { 55 }
Hand 2: 21.0744 % 21.07% 00.00% { QQ+, AQs+, AQo+ }

[Fnord]

Hand 1: AQ no g00t. Might fold pre-flop.
Hand 2: I just let this go pre-flop, 23s doesn't have good implied odds in a limped pot. Against this guy, I'd probably play it the same. River too good, opponent too loose and aggro.
Hand 3: Re-raise flop all-in if you're going to continue.
Hand 4: Fold to the flop raise, you will rarely win a big pot here.
Hand 5: Raise pre-flop or maybe fold. Everyone's hand sucks. Post-flop I play the same.
Hand 6: Given the read, sure.
Hand 7: Standard. Sometimes I check the turn.
Hand 8: Standard.
Hand 9: Hammer turn.
Hand 10: It depends. I'm leaning towards a fold, but it really depends.

[Fnord]

4 i might lead the turn or river, but nothing wrong with how you played it.

Full table
Unraised pot
Probably less aggro players than you're used to dealing with

Routine fold on the flop

[gabe]

4 i might lead the turn or river, but nothing wrong with how you played it.

Full table
Unraised pot
Probably less aggro players than you're used to dealing with

Routine fold on the flop

so if you decided to lead out, you fold to a minraise? i check/fold this flop alot, but if im betting out im calling the minraise.

[Fnord]

so if you decided to lead out, you fold to a minraise? i check/fold this flop alot, but if im betting out im calling the minraise.

Yup, what exactly are you getting 3:1 on?

[Renton]

so if you decided to lead out, you fold to a minraise? i check/fold this flop alot, but if im betting out im calling the minraise.

Yup, what exactly are you getting 3:1 on?

hands that I beat are capable of minraising this flop, namely 5x and 67. Plus I never put too much stock in flop minraises anyway, as people are capable of doing this with as little as ace high.

[gabe]

hands that I beat are capable of minraising this flop, namely 5x and 67. Plus I never put too much stock in flop minraises anyway, as people are capable of doing this with as little as ace high.

yea...and besides arent you getting closer to 5:1 than 3:1?

in general, i just dont like folding to small bets and small raises on early streets against bad players.

[Fnord]

Plus I never put too much stock in flop minraises anyway, as people are capable of doing this with as little as ace high.

I think you need a more open mind than this.

Min-raises are annoying because of the wide range they could represent when made by a complete unknown. However, they have this funny habbit of building pots and hence creating some implied threat. Particularly out of position.

In this case I give him credit for something until he's less of an unknown.

[Renton]

Plus I never put too much stock in flop minraises anyway, as people are capable of doing this with as little as ace high.

I think you need a more open mind than this.

Min-raises are annoying because of the wide range they could represent when made by a complete unknown. However, they have this funny habbit of building pots and hence creating some implied threat. Particularly out of position.

In this case I give him credit for something until he's less of an unknown.

I don't see a problem with calling that minraise against an unknown, because even if he is strong (overpair) then I am practically getting odds to chase my five outer. I would have folded to aggression on the turn had I not hit it.

[Fnord]

I don't see a problem with calling that minraise against an unknown, because even if he is strong (overpair) then I am practically getting odds to chase my five outer. I would have folded to aggression on the turn had I not hit it.

What are the chances of hitting one of your 5 outs?
What are the chances your 5 outs are good? If they're not good, how much money relative to the pot are you losing when you hit second best? Even if you catch good, what are his chances of re-sucking?
What are the chances your hand is good and won't face any further pressure?
What are the chances something interesting will turn and you'll push this unknown off his hand?

I'm not being defeatist, it's quite possible to answer those questions in such a way you should continue. I don't see it happening here.

This is the whole crux of the tight post-flop play in unraised pots argument.

Take a step back.

How would you play poker if someone dropped $1,000,000 into the pot?
How would you play poker if someone took all but 1 bind blind out of the pot?
Food for thought....