uh oh

[dalecooper]

Is this hand unget-away-fromable? Do I even want to get away from it? juzi is a typical, horrible short stack; MJFAMFAEF is sort-of-tagg, hasn't been playing that many hands and hasn't raised before (but I've only been at the table 15 hands or so). Put a lot of thought into both his flop and turn actions, the turn especially.

***** Hand History for Game 4536183572 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, June 17, 09:17:03 ET 2006
Table Table 107927 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 3: fajawillwin ( $17.29 )
Seat 4: MJFAMFAEF ( $26.30 )
Seat 6: BEW126 ( $41.81 )
Seat 2: stressball10 ( $25.18 )
Seat 1: juzi33 ( $7.73 )
Seat 5: IH8PLUM ( $13.50 )
stressball10 posts small blind [$0.10].
fajawillwin posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to stressball10 [ 7c 6c ]
MJFAMFAEF raises [$0.75].
IH8PLUM folds.
BEW126 calls [$0.75].
>You have options at Table 107935 Table!.
juzi33 calls [$0.75].
stressball10 calls [$0.65].
fajawillwin calls [$0.50].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kd, 7d, 6h ]
stressball10 bets [$2.50].
fajawillwin folds.
MJFAMFAEF calls [$2.50].
>You have options at Table 107935 Table!.
BEW126 folds.
juzi33 calls [$2.50].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5c ]
stressball10 bets [$10].
>You have options at Table 107935 Table!.
MJFAMFAEF raises [$20].
juzi33 is all-In [$4.48]
stressball10...

[Miffed22001]

you can only get away from it if you put him on a better hand and that has to be KK surely?
For the amount of times AK shows here id call this

[dalecooper]

I also figured AA was in his range, which made it even more of a call, I thought. I did in fact call - results later.

How do you guys feel about the pre-flop and flop?

[Miffed22001]

preflop is fine for me.
Im not sure whether i like leading vs c/r'ing and bombing the turn. Two pair is a strong hand but gets counterfeited a lot and therefore i dont want someone just calling my bet if i pot it oop on the flop. It also gives us a look at what other people have in such a pot (set is likely i guess unless theyre all donks) We also arent going to like a lot of turn cards against a random who was not the pfr'er

Considering AA/AK we beat and KK were smoked which seems to be his range id call the turn almost every time i think.

[dalecooper]

I considered the c/r-and-bomb line, in fact, but I just don't check-raise much at 25 NL any more. Leading gets action so often, especially in multi-way pots, that it's gotten to be a reflex for me to lead (and usually lead big) with almost any good hand, and then just kick back and let the cash roll in.

I also don't like the hitchhike effect that tends to happen - like here, say if I check and the pre-flop raiser bets $1 or something stupid, and then a bunch of people with draws or pairs come along because it's cheap. Then I get into a situation where an effective check-raise is one that pretty much pot-commits me, because anything smaller will price everybody in if they have anything decent (flush draw, straight draw, pair of kings). I feel like I'd rather play a fast, medium-sized pot than a slow huge one. But that may be incorrect thinking - it's just what I was considering when I led out.

[dalecooper]

Results:

Short stack had KJ, the other player had AA, and my hand held up.

[Silly String]

At 25NL this is OK, but higher up I think you'll see 89 pretty often, by MJFANFEAF.

[dalecooper]

At 25NL this is OK, but higher up I think you'll see 89 pretty often, by MJFANFEAF.

I think that may be more player-specific than stakes-specific. I see plenty of players raising 89s at 25 NL, but I don't think this guy usually raises anything but premium hands.

[Silly String]

I was refering to the way he played the hand, not his pre-flop raise. I not saying that is stakes specific. I am just saying at higher stakes he raises flop with a lot of semi-strong hands like AA. His turn min-raise says set or straight to me. At lower stakes like 25NL, he'll turn over a large range of losers here. Whereas, at higher stakes the turn play indicates you are likely beat.

[dalecooper]

Oh, I see what you mean. Yes, I think you're definitely right about that. I'm usually suspicious of any turn min-raise, especially one that is so large without actually putting the other player all in, but here I had a feeling he just had some big hand he couldn't let go of.

Incidentally, how do you guys think you would play his hand here? Pre-flop is obviously a little weak, how about the rest?