Nut flush draw against half-buy

[Warpe]

Gambool here?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

SB ($96.40)
BB ($104.60)
UTG ($44.50)
UTG+1 ($50.36)
MP1 ($101)
MP2 ($95.50)
MP3 ($39)
Hero ($146.60)
Button ($88.80)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A, 3. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $1, 3 folds, Hero calls $1, Button raises to $3.5, SB (poster) calls $3, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls $2.50, Hero calls $2.50.

Flop: ($15) T, 2, K (4 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $8, Button folds, SB folds, UTG+1 raises to $46.86 (all-in) Hero ????

[Robert]

I fold with the odds you are getting. You are up against twopair or a set to often here to make a call profitable.

[Warpe]

I fold with the odds you are getting. You are up against twopair or a set to often here to make a call profitable.

Yeah, that's the book version, but laying bad beats on shortstacks is a hobby of mine. (I got called every name in the book on this one.)

I guess the real question I'm asking is how loose do you get against shorties? I tend to gambool a lot more when I know my downside is limited, which is no doubt a leak...but definitely fun

[andy-akb]

When your opponent is all in your answer comes down to math really. Put him on a range [we cant since you didnt give any reads], count your outs, see if you are getting the odds to make the call. If you are getting the odds, call. If you arent getting the odds, dont.

[Robert]

Hehe, I kinda have the same "leak" too. I'm in a bad habit thinking that AJ is a monster against a shortstack with 25BB, bleh.
You shouldnt be giving shortstacks as much respect as full buys, but a checkraise allin on the flopin with 50BBs you have to respect. I see shortstacks with 20-30BB do this alot with TPWK and flush and straight draws though - but 50BB deep is somewhat different.

[Warpe]

I'm in a bad habit thinking that AJ is a monster against a shortstack with 25BB, bleh.

I hear ya. I'm much more likely to felt TPWK against a shortie. Funny thing is, I think I'm more profitable than not doing this.

[Lukie]

This is a really easy call.

[Robert]

This is a really easy call.

Please elaborate

[samsonite2100]

Lukie, how many outs would you consider us having? If we go w/ the 9 flush cards, we're a dog. In any case, I wouldn't say it's an easy call. It's extremely marginal at best.

[zook]

When your opponent is all in your answer comes down to math really. Put him on a range [we cant since you didnt give any reads], count your outs, see if you are getting the odds to make the call. If you are getting the odds, call. If you arent getting the odds, dont.

It's pretty interesting what happens when you run it through Pokerstove. You have to put in $39 to win $70, so you should be getting better than 1.8:1 to call. If you put him on a tight range, it's a fold, but very close to 0EV:

Board: Th 2c Kc
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 34.5414 % 34.38% 00.16% { Ac3c }
Hand 2: 65.4586 % 65.30% 00.16% { TT, 22, AKs, KTs, QcJc, AKo, KTo }

When you start including more drawing hands, like QJo, or non-nut flush draws, a call becomes +EV.

I think I call here, because I don't give unknown short-stacks much credit and an all-in check-raise could be a draw.

[samsonite2100]

Ah, yeah, I misread the amount to call push as $47 instead of $39. Yeah, this is a call.