Is this fishy?

[SmackinYaUp]

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $5/$10
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $1815
CO: $1117.50
Button: $998
Hero: $1108
BB: $1285.75

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with Q K
3 folds, Hero raises to $35, BB calls.

Flop: 2 T 8 ($70, 2 players)
Hero bets $75, BB calls.

Turn: J ($220, 2 players)
Hero bets $200, BB raises to $400, Hero calls.

[exsentrik]

in this sistuation your the fish!!!!!


You guy ridcule my play and your playing this after the flop?????

[LimpinAintEZ]

I like the aggression, but once he re-raises the turn I would have to let it go...

[exsentrik]

In this sistuation you have to options on the turn. You raise big or you fold. You don't call. But you should never get yourself in this position after the flop anyways

[ilikeaces86]

I like the aggression, but once he re-raises the turn I would have to let it go...

Unless you think you can stack him close to 100% of the time u hit.

[gabe]

i think he prob has 2 pair, so you get def stack him with 6 of the ours, but the other 2 (9c and Ac) would be much harder to get the money in. if hes a regular i fold but if hes someone that i dont recognize (like if they ar eonly on one of my tables) then i call and just push any card that i hit.

[gabe]

In this sistuation you have to options on the turn. You raise big or you fold. You don't call. But you should never get yourself in this position after the flop anyways

people here know alot more about poker than you do, sorry. he raised before the flop, representing a big hand. big hands usually bet the flop, so he did. its like a bluff because most of the time the other guy won't have anything.

[exsentrik]

Are you kidding me????

1. Hes out of position
2. He gets raised on the flop
3. He gets reaised on the turn
4. He hasn’t hit any of his cards.
5. Villian is sitting on at least 2 pair or a pair of 10s

The so called FTR “pro’s” should really stop giving crappy advise

[LimpinAintEZ]

In this sistuation you have to options on the turn. You raise big or you fold. You don't call. But you should never get yourself in this position after the flop anyways

people here know alot more about poker than you do, sorry. he raised before the flop, representing a big hand. big hands usually bet the flop, so he did. its like a bluff because most of the time the other guy won't have anything.

I agree, mostly - But in the hand mentioned hasn't the villain already represented a bigger hand? solid bet on flop, followed by a $200 bet on the turn when he raises to $400...A min-raise there is saying he wants to be called, doesn't it? he isn't trying to push him out of the hand with that raise - I know mostly they won't have anything, but after you fire 2 barrels and get re-raised, dont' you have to give the guy respect at that point? What is the 72nd level thinking that im' missing here?

[gabe]

In this sistuation you have to options on the turn. You raise big or you fold. You don't call. But you should never get yourself in this position after the flop anyways

people here know alot more about poker than you do, sorry. he raised before the flop, representing a big hand. big hands usually bet the flop, so he did. its like a bluff because most of the time the other guy won't have anything.

I agree, mostly - But in the hand mentioned hasn't the villain already represented a bigger hand? solid bet on flop, followed by a $200 bet on the turn when he raises to $400...A min-raise there is saying he wants to be called, doesn't it? I know mostly they won't have anything, but after you fire 2 barrels and get re-raised, dont' you have to give the guy respect at that point? What is the 72nd level thinking that im' missing here?

if the villian has a big hand, then we are almost guaranteed to get paid off if we hit our straight

[LimpinAintEZ]

still seems like a high price to pay with only 1 card to come - I can't imagine him cold-calling the flop then min-raising the turn with less than 2 pair - So us catching a K or Q can't be good - He could be club drawing and semi-bluffing the turn (if he has a pr with his flush draw maybe) - and if we catch our straight, won't it be obvious? Or do most people assume we would be betting a flush draw on this board? 6 outs gives us roughly 12% to win, so don't we lose close to 90% here? Unless we push any river and get him to fold, I just don't see the call for the turn raise....

[exsentrik]

Eat Bugs your retarded you would call that all the way down to the river on a straight draw? I guess that’s the diverance of some one like me who plays 10/20 and someone like you that plays .25/.50. I can’t believe you would seggest that in this instance. I was seconded guessin my self and what I had written in the other post, until I just saw wat you wrote. Most of you “pros” on FTR are a bunch of zit faced teens who think they know how to play poker but don’t’ know shit. Good luck at the .25/50 table!!!!!

[gabe]

Good luck at the .25/50 table!!!!!

thanks.

btw, check out my challenge to you in your thread

[exsentrik]

Lets do it. Ill set up a private talbe at absolute or partypoker which ever you perfer. Lets make it intresting though. 5/10 or 10/20 Buy in for 1000 or 2000. I am avaible after 5 pm pst. Lets post this on the boards at FTR so the rest of your wanabee buddies can see too.

[jackvance]

Now it gets interesting!

[exsentrik]

So eat bugs talks a lot of game, but he can’t stick his money were his mouth is. Im waiting. Ill even give you my cell number, if you prefer to talk to me.

[LimpinAintEZ]

wow - i guess someone doesn't read the stakes and the hand histories gabe posts? I think Gabe and WildBob are the very LAST guys i would challenge....(aces is open season though and exsentwhatever - you were not even correct in your analysis - on #2 he got called when he bet the flop - He has all the initiative until the turn - Initiative certainly makes up for position a lot of times....maybe you need to breathe dude -

[Warpe]

I like the second barrel on the turn but, maaaan...I have a tough time making that call....

Implied odds is everything here...Does a smaller turn bet make this any easier to play, or do we care about $100 either way?

[SmackinYaUp]

Well, I figured I was about 5-1 to make it, I counted all 8 outs because I don't see a FD ever min-raising. Even if he has a pair + fd, he's pushing if he's aggro or calling if he's passive but not minraising. There was 830 in the pot and 200 back to me so I was playing it pretty thin. He ended up having a 9 so I really only had 7 outs and was 16% to hit. I also wanted to build up a big stack early in the session.

exsentrik, you have a very poor attitude and are setting yourself up for failure. take the advice that is given to you for free and learn from it. I have nothing against you, just hoping that you open your eyes.

[exsentrik]

Hey

You know what, you guys are right. I shouldn’t be acting out like this. I apologize to eats bugs. But you have to understand from my point of view too, I asked for a opiion of my play and were I messed up, and everyone jumped down my throat giving me a whole, HOLYIER THAN THOU attitude. It just put me on the defensive. If you read my original post you will see that I head a good read on this guy, and I know how he plays. I have played him many times. Again, eat bugs and the rest of the FTR crew, im sorry if I stepped over the line.

[zenbitz]

You weren't jumped on for your play, you were jumped on for posting a bad beat.

[SmackinYaUp]

Hey

You know what, you guys are right. I shouldn’t be acting out like this. I apologize to eats bugs. But you have to understand from my point of view too, I asked for a opiion of my play and were I messed up, and everyone jumped down my throat giving me a whole, HOLYIER THAN THOU attitude. It just put me on the defensive. If you read my original post you will see that I head a good read on this guy, and I know how he plays. I have played him many times. Again, eat bugs and the rest of the FTR crew, im sorry if I stepped over the line.

Well, I think thats a good start. I still highly reccommend a bigger than 10 buyin bankroll because the swings are so great. You have people pushing and calling pushes with any pair + draw and pulling big bluffs, making big calls, etc that 10 buyins can come and go during any day. The widely accepted bankroll for playing long term at 10/20 is $100,000.

[exsentrik]

Hey

Okay its on then, I am goin out of town this weekend. Being Canada day and all. We can set something up next week. Ill be back Wednesday. Eat bugs if that sounds okay with you let me know. By the way I playas Exsentrik on absolute. ON party I use a different handle, which I don’t want to let anyone know heheeh. Which game do you prefer? 5/10 10/20? Since I haven’t seen you play, and give you respect cuz everyone on this site thinks your gods gift to poker, how about we sit down to game of 3/6 max buy in of 500? Also I don’t’ want to lose 1k heheh.

After this game, im going to open this chanllenge up to anyone on FTR. Im not doing this cuz I think im better then you all, im doin this because I want to see how good I really am. So who ever wants to play me pm with a time and after next Wednesday or post in the CHALLENGE EXSENTRIK THREAD

[Rondavu]

I wouldn't challenge WildBob because he's a nit. Lolol

[WildBobAA]

wtf how did i get dragged into this?

anyway, i'm not gonna play exsentrik because unlike him and "Eat Bugs" i don't have an ego issue

[givememyleg]

wtf how did i get dragged into this?

anyway, i'm not gonna play exsentrik because unlike him and "Eat Bugs" i don't have an ego issue

Yeah right you and all the pics of you holding your trophy with the look of omfg I'm God and the Gauntlet Champion thing on your avatar!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[midas06]

(bump)

Lets do it. Ill set up a private talbe at absolute or PartyPoker which ever you perfer. Lets make it intresting though. 5/10 or 10/20 Buy in for 1000 or 2000. I am avaible after 5 pm pst. Lets post this on the boards at FTR so the rest of your wanabee buddies can see too.

[gabe]

wtf how did i get dragged into this?

anyway, i'm not gonna play exsentrik because unlike him and "Eat Bugs" i don't have an ego issue

lol

i have a money issue

[Genitruc]

this whole saga makes me laugh. then i feel sad.

btw wtf happened to this thread? thought it was an interesting hand.

and... am I a dolt or is it kind of lame for ppl who play .25-.5 blinds to be posting in HighStakes? Seems to me the interest in reading this section of the forum is for it to be a kind of high-stakes exclusive area. I don't post because I don't play high stakes, but I enjoy reading the discussion between ppl who do.

maybe i m just a tight-ass.

btw Smackin did villain have q9 or 79s? (see? if everyone starts doing it I won't be able to resist)